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Need some help assembling my first system....

Alexdad54

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Hi all,
I've decided to let the dream of restoring my old Grundig KS 590 console sit back for a while and instead try and assemble the best system I can for under $3000. I have a small(ish) listening room (approx. 20x15x9) and I already have some of the components:
Oppo 983H universal player
Rotel RCS-971
Dual 1218 TT
I listen mainly to blues, roots reggae and rock (Floyd, Roxy, etc.) on vinyl and CD. I am looking for a good amp (tube or SS), pre-amp and speakers and I'm getting a bit seasick with all the options I've been looking at. I thought of going vintage am very open to more updated components but I want a strong clear honest sound.
I'm figuring about $1000 for the speakers, and the rest divided between the amp, pre-amp and interconnects.
All suggestions appreciated!
 
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I have a hand held Grundig. I got Taiwan out of South Dakota. The sound is incredible to me but of course listen to him.
 
Look seriously at the mid-to-late '80's Yamaha separates: e.g., the C-80/M-80, etc. Not insanely priced, but incredibly good gear. I used to own the CX-1000U/MX-1000U combo, and it was the nicest stuff I've ever had--and it has a remote control for the preamp and tuner.

I can't praise it enough. :thmbsp:
 
Hi Alexdad

The Parasound New Classic 2100 Preamp is a good match with the New Classic 275 amp (2 x 75w @ 8ohms). Audio Advisor sells these for $650 for the pre and $550 for the amp. You would need speakers with a decent sensitivity (like at least 89dB) with a 75w amp.

Have you considered a good integrated amp (like NAD or Rotel) rather than a seperate pre and amp?

Re. speakers: do you want floorstanding or bookshelf/standmount?

To do reggae and rock right, the system bass frequency response should get down to at least 32Hz. That usually means inclusion of a powered subwoofer. Have you considered this?

Mike
 
What kind of speakers? Floor standing, towers, bookshelfs on stands, panels, in wall. If this is a man cave you are setting up, the option of sound over looks rears its (maybe) ugly head.
IMO: Get some MMG's in custom stands driven by 100WPC. Add a good sub a nice tube preamp (Conrad Johnson for example) and forget about everything but the music.
 
Thanks for the info so far!....BTW, the Grundig is a 200lb beast, too big to move to the shop.....
Floor standing I think, listening spot is a couch about 12 feet from the rear short wall. I have looked at Monitor Audio RS-6's (and 8's), Klipsch Cornwall (too big probably for the room) and MMG's. Although I liked what I read about the MMG's I had read that they weren't ideal for the type of music I like. Appearance is not an issue, it's my man cave.....:)

I would consider a powered sub to deal with the deep lows but haven't really explored that option yet and don't know how to match them up. I looked at an Onkyo 9555 (the 9755 is not available in N. America), Marantz, Dynaco ST-70"s (modded), etc. The Parasound and Conrad Johnson look very interesting!
 
Hi Alex,
I'll throw in my 2 cents, FWIW. If you think the Cornwalls are to big for the room maybe you might want to consider the Heresy's. They have been referred to as baby corns by others. I just know that I thoroughly enjoyed the ones I had, and I listened to a lot of blues through them and was never disappointed. If you find that you need deeper bass then you could always add something from the Klipsch Reference series of subs. Plus the Heresy's will not put a strain on your wallet, which leaves more money for more blues.

Just to entice, here is the set that dumb ass me got rid of. :smoke:


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Re the MMG's - which model and will they handle deep reggae bass or do they need a sub as well? If so, which model works best with them?

Maybe it's heresy but I look at the speakers as being the foundation for all the other pieces so I'm willing to go the extra mile/dollar to get good ones.

I am also willing to go used to get quality above my budget level.
 
I also have a line on some re-built (Crite) Cornwalls...$1000 for the pair. Any opinions on how these might stack up against their more modern brethren or against Magnepans?
 
There is a set of Polk LSi-15's with upgraded x-overs for sale on the Polk forum at a very good price in Atlanta. Don't know if that's close to you or not, but they are excellent speakers for the type of music you like.
 
The Polks sound interesting but Philly is a long way fronm Atlanta...:)
I think I will take the plunge with the MMG's -60-day money-back guarantee, they seem to fit the listening and musical profile.
I have been told that tube is best for the MMG and I've seen good prices for a CJ MV-50 (tube), Parasound Halo AV-23 (ss), Parasound Halo-P3's (ss) for the pre, Scott-299 Integrated (tube)...no clue which one is better than the other......
Mike19, JoeESP9 do you guys have any suggestions for NAD & Rotel- there are so many models to choose from....?
 
The Crites Cornwalls might suit your music style, to me Klipsch speakers are all about the impact of the music, with a good beat and kind of raucous, energetic sound...the only time I have ever heard a system that changed my heart rhythm to match the drum beats was a set of Klipschorns powered by a NYAL Moscode 600 playing Robert Plant's "Little by Little"...that was nearly 20 years ago and my ears are still ringing...when I feel like I need those things, I 'll replace one of my more "audiophile" speaker sets with my tweaked Heresys...I'll live with them for about a month, but eventually they go back into a closet when I become tired of the Sturm und Drang...but, most all Klipsch speakers are nice and efficient and even flea power amps can play them way too loud to stand....

The MMG's are not really capable of delivering the impact that a set of Cornwalls can...but, even the highly modded Cornwalls give ground to Magneplanars when it comes to sound quality and refinement...there's an airiness and spatial quality that dipoles properly set up achieve that is very difficult, in my experience, to obtain with most all speakers using horn loaded elements, and using the stock mid and high horns used by Klipsch, as evidenced by the modders, even Crites, replacing the tweeteres with something better, seems necessary to add a level of refinement to the Klipsch speakers that do move them a notch closer to the refinement of other speakers...now, this has just been my experience, and yes, I am a fan of Maggies and electrostats like Martin Logans, Quads, Final, Acoustat, and Innersound...and I am a Magneplaner and Martin Logan owner...but, as I said before I do also own Heresys...and Ohms, and Snells, and Boston Acoustics, and Lowthers, and Fostex, and Loth-X, Paradigm, and Signet....

The Klipsch speakers, though, will reward you with good upstream equipment and any scrimping there will be brightly laid out for you to see...you willnot be able to ignore shortcuts, ha!

As far as electronics, how about a Jolida 1501RC, 100WPC, $750, with a Jolida JD9A phono stage at $399...that would be a pretty sweet sounding setup with the Cornwalls, heck, with just about any speaker in the $1K new or used range...18 month warranty on the 1501, 2 years, except tubes, on the JD9A...

You can also get the 1501A without remote control and save a few bucks...

Klipsch speakers are very tube friendly and if you wanted to go full tube (and if it were me I would), then a Jolida 302 would really fill the bill, $950 w/o remote, $999 with...2 year full warranty, except tubes, on the Jolida tube amps...the 302's just never seem to break, and there are also factory upgraded versions using premium parts that add about $175 to the tube amps, but the mods are really nice, well thought out and complementary to the gear, the amps are very carefully set up and tested by Jolida and carry the full warranty...

These are prices for new gear, used gear might shave a bit off these prices...

I, too, have a Dual 1218, don't go crazy with getting a cartridge for it, it really wouldn't do to go much more than a Denon DL110 on it as the sonic capabilities of more expensive cartridges just aren't brought out by the Dual, it's aged tonearm wiring, it's too short tonearm, and that tonearms lack of adjustability and lack of new replacement head shells, and that flimsy mounting scheme in the headshell, are all things that all this series of Duals have that is really sub-par...I use a Stanton on mine as it is just way too easy to swap out the stylus assembly to go between 78's and LP's, and it sounds better than the Grado Blue...just use some decent low capacitance interconnects, a middle of the road cartridge and save up for your next table ;) The JD9A, though, would support a much better vinyl front end if you should decide you like going down that path...

And, what is the Rotel RCS-971? I couldn't find out anything about that model, even on Rotel's site....

And, if you want a tuner, there's a new Sony HD capable tuner that's cheap and darn good...better than a lot of vintage tuners...especially if they haven't been aligned and serviced recently...

These are just a few of the things I would consider if you wanted to get new gear that had "strong clear honest sound"....

So, you have dozens of choices that you can make, and yes, it is a journey, sometimes long, but quite frequently amusing and fun!
 
As Redboy sez you can't go wrong with Forte. (I bought mine used for $600) I listen to a lot of blues and jazz. If I had enough $$$ I use tubes, but I like my music loud and tube amps with 150-200wpc are just too expensive.

I envy your position. $3k should buy a nice setup. Good Luck!!:yes:
 
The Crites Cornwalls, can you be more specific? My Cornies have Crites tweeters and XO's, but you can also get woofs from Bob. If these have all three plus the cabinets are in good shape, $1000 is a fair price. That leaves you with $2k for amplification and cables.

Like others, I'm a sucker for the Yamaha line, but I also like to drive my CW's with tubes. Head over to Audiogon and browse their used stuff, see what is in your price range and research their qualities. I'm sure you'll run across something you'll like.
 
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