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New Table Coming Based on the Classic AR-XA!!!

wushuliu

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Apos Audio just announced an upcoming turntable based on the Acoustic Research AR-XA, the Salad SA-XC. I can't believe it's taken this long for a company to release a (relatively speaking) affordable suspended table. Suspended tables just have such an immersive sound - even the lowly Phillips 212/312. Apos is showing itself to be really, really serious about its investment in affordable but quality analog audio. I thought they were just another budget Chi-fi dac/headphone shop but I was very wrong. Well-regarded tubes and now partnering to bring back the AR-XA? Well done.

Link: Salad SA-XC



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This needs to go back to the drawing board.
This prototype has a beat-up wooden base,
The tonearm sticks out past the back end of the unit
Nice, convenient, double pulley to change speeds located under the platter
Almost looks like a record would overhang the left side of the unit. No dust cover.
 
I wonder if they can match the quality of the original at any sort of reasonable price. Hope so.
I don't think they are close to the visual appeal of the original though - the big shiny on/off switch has no relation to anything else on the plinth (if the ugly cork mat didn't overlap the platter, the shiny edge would match, but no, it is invisible) and is in the wrong place. It would look better symetrically placed in the corner, rather than where the original rectangular slide switch was (and its location reflected its rectangularity in a rectangular top plate, so the location was pleasing). The shiny switch and the enormous shiny badge unbalance the look of the table - the badge should be smaller and on the other side, as it was on the original. And the arm rest/lock - hideous refugee from some 80s Japanese table - please! Ditto the headshell - at least get something that fits the aesthetic of the arm, or make the arm more modern, with whatever aesthetic they want. But don't graft a curvy swiss cheese holey headshell on a dour rectanglar and cylindrical arm.
I recognize that these are all cosmetic comments and may seem carping, especially in light of the obvious issues of a lack of a hinged dustcover and antiskating. But turntables are more interactive than most components, and not stabbing you in the eye every time you approach is an important merit.
Given the number of used tables out there (and the astonishing durability of them), they need to provide some improvement over the original if they are to make it. In this regard, the blue tooth capability may be the most important part of the package.

Later edit: I would guess the lack of cuing would be a problem for a lot of potential buyers - even AR, with the XB, realized its importance to marketing, if not to actual use.
 
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While I'm spouting - when the Philips 212 came out, it wasn't thought to be the lowly cousin of the AR, it was the natural successor. Cheaper than the Thorens descendents of the AR (and cooler, with the cats eye switches), it had what the market (and any rational person) wanted - a hinged dust cover which could be used during play, antiskating, easy cartridge alignment, and two speeds without disassembly. And it had variable mass, for those who knew what that was. I forget if it was Stereophile or the early Absolute Sound had it as the recommended entry level table, over the AR for those reasons.
 
I figured these would be the replies. AK doesn't disappoint. This table is obviously not for someone looking to spend hours scouring auction sites for AR tables in great condition and then praying they don't get damaged in shipping, or spending even more time restoring one, or hanging out on CL or FB marketplace waiting for something to pop up locally.

If this table sells well it will signal other manufacturers to consider going suspended and that's a big win.
 
It looks interesting. The pictures look like just concept (AI?) so things like the overly long tonearm counterweight stub and power button aren't necessarily real or to be expected on release. Obviously some of the images are just graphic design.

I don't see many AR tables in the wild these days. I'm not looking specifically for them either as I have the ones I need. I don't mind a new take on the old design.
 
It would seem our new member Andy @SaladDesign is associated with this,
it is clearly the same turntable. I hope he does well with it.

 
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Looks like one of the events in which they mention showcasing it will be held tomorrow (2/8). Perhaps we’ll get some feedback. Website doesn’t mention much about the motor, at least that I could see.

Frankly I’m not enamored with the idea of a clone. Always feels like a marketing gimmick. If you want to make a suspended deck with a cast t-bar etc…fine. But robbing someone else's design style just to sell more units based on another’s aesthetics rubs me the wrong way. Same with the 1200 clones. What’s next, 301 clones?

But certainly there’s a market for them. And if it sounds good and they can make a couple bucks with copy-and-paste all the power to them.
 
Apos is showing itself to be really, really serious about its investment in affordable but quality analog audio.

The photos of the components for their "reborn" XA are computer generated, if they were "serious" they would have posted photos of at least a manufactured prototype...

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The make or break is how well it is manufactured. I'm not casting aspersions about Chinese quality just to get that clear. As with any mechanical system, materials and tolerances affect the end result. If we are lucky a quality product at a reasonable price is a welcome addition to the lower end of the market. If we are unlucky the emphasis is on appearance and relying on the cachet of the original vintage product.

This is not pessimism just reality.
 
Frankly I’m not enamored with the idea of a clone. Always feels like a marketing gimmick.
I agree. An affordable suspended subchassis turntable would be a welcome alternative to the plethora of slab-of-MDF offerings we have at present. However, trading on someone else's hard-earned reputation by copying the appearance of another product doesn't impress me.
 
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