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New Tube Phonopreamp Hum

"Spiral filaments" refers to construction inside the 12AX7. It's a technique for reducing hum when the filaments are AC powered. Not the case here, so it's irrelevant. About your filament wiring, It will make no difference whether it's twisted or how tightly. That's only an issue for AC heating.

Can you tell whether the hum is 60Hz or 120Hz? Also, what is the third wire ground from the power inlet connected to?

Jack

I think 60Hz but that is a guess. Here's some pics of the wiring. If you are referring to the a/c filter earth ground, it has two wires connected to it. The purple transformer shield wire and then the other wire connects on the power board as ground.

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I think 60Hz but that is a guess. Here's some pics of the wiring. If you are referring to the a/c filter earth ground, it has two wires connected to it. The purple transformer shield wire and then the other wire connects on the power board as ground.
Different systems react differently in terms of grounding and hum pickup. It's possible for a preamp like this to be quiet in one environment, but not in another. It might be necessary to detach the inlet's green wire from the power supply and instead attach it to one of the chassis screws. That preserves its use as a safety ground, but will isolates it from the audio circuitry and power supply ground. Of course, this will only work if the circuit boards don't extend any of their ground traces under any screws or metal standoffs holding the boards to the chassis.

Jack
 
Different systems react differently in terms of grounding and hum pickup. It's possible for a preamp like this to be quiet in one environment, but not in another. It might be necessary to detach the inlet's green wire from the power supply and instead attach it to one of the chassis screws. That preserves its use as a safety ground, but will isolates it from the audio circuitry and power supply ground. Of course, this will only work if the circuit boards don't extend any of their ground traces under any screws or metal standoffs holding the boards to the chassis.

Jack

I put the meter on the screws holding the boards and to ground and there is continuity at all screws.
 
Very likely this is a low level of microphonics. There isn't a PT made that doesn't vibrate and if it's close to a driver it can transfer to it. If you can ping the tubes with a finger flick and hear it then it's gonna be a possible source. You might try dismounting the tranny for an isolation test.
Microphonics from the tubes? I pulled the tubes and deoxited the pins and also the tube socket pins. Moved the two gain tubes to buffer position and buffer tubes to gain. With just the shorting plugs installed it was noticeably quieter. Then connected my better TT a Technics SL1210 MK5. It is quiet while connected, but gets a little louder when the stylus hits the record. There has been an improvement. I don't have any replacement tubes, yet. I am ordering some because I need a backup set and who knows may be the noise issue will get better, or worse :)
 
I put the meter on the screws holding the boards and to ground and there is continuity at all screws.
The question is whether the electrical ground of the boards - such as the shields of the input jacks - is connected to those screws. Are the input jacks and output jacks all insulated from the chassis?
 
The question is whether the electrical ground of the boards - such as the shields of the input jacks - is connected to those screws. Are the input jacks and output jacks all insulated from the chassis?

Good question. So, I metered the jack grounds to chassis and screw or and there is continuity on both inputs and outputs. The RCAs have nylon washers installed. From what I understood the A/C filter creates the chassis ground when it is screwed to the chassis.
 
From what I understood the A/C filter creates the chassis ground when it is screwed to the chassis.

Yes, but the point is to connect the filter's ground wire to only the chassis and not to the electrical ground of the circuit boards. If that can be done, it will eliminate the possibility of a ground loop through the AC mains ground. The way forward is to remove the ground wire from the board and use the ohmmeter again to see if the shields are still connected to the chassis.
 
If you want the lowest possible hum you'd be wise to locate the mains transformer as far away as possible from the circuit board. I'd put it in a separate box entirely.
As it is, it looks too close imho.
 
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Try tube shields?
 
If you want the lowest possible hum you'd be wise to locate the mains transformer as far away as possible from the circuit board. I'd put it in a separate box entirely.
As it is, it looks too close imho.

Yeah, that is a great idea. Unfortunately for me, I am not the person to start reverse engineering stuff. I can build a kit from diagrams and pretty pictures, but electronic theory and circuit analysis aren't strong points for me.
 
I'm still waiting on another set of tubes, not to say that will have any effect on the hum. It will eliminate tubes, though. So, i went ahead and shortened the Filament, B1 and B2 wires about two inches. Also, moved the output wires above board instead of underneath the PCB like it was. I didn't bother the wires on the power PCB. I don't think the wiring or routing is an issue. Still hums a bit. See anything wrong with the wiring?
 

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So, I have been setting here listening to this Phonopre ever since I shortened and rerouted the wires. I have to say this thing sounds really good. I have been given lots of good advice by folks in this thread. It is greatly appreciated and I have learned some more. But I think I'm just going to enjoy it and live with the small hum. If I could have gotten it quiet that would have been great. But I can live with it right now and have no regrets. I got to build my second kit, and it worked. Happy as a pig-in-****. I've decided to listen to records instead of fretting over a little hum. Thanks for the help guys. Hey, noticed I went over 2000 posts. Only took me 15 years :D
 
So, I have been setting here listening to this Phonopre ever since I shortened and rerouted the wires. I have to say this thing sounds really good. I have been given lots of good advice by folks in this thread. It is greatly appreciated and I have learned some more. But I think I'm just going to enjoy it and live with the small hum. If I could have gotten it quiet that would have been great. But I can live with it right now and have no regrets. I got to build my second kit, and it worked. Happy as a pig-in-****. I've decided to listen to records instead of fretting over a little hum. Thanks for the help guys. Hey, noticed I went over 2000 posts. Only took me 15 years :D
I had purchased from Roy his Phono Preamp PH16-X and V22 SP14 Pre-Amp installed, and these are dead quiet. I would ask Roy if you can send the Phono Amp to him for a checkup?
His reply for support seems short to me which I also had a similar response about the Dip Switches on the Phono Amp. I had purchased a Elekit TU-8550 and Sunvalley SV-EQ1616D and support from
Victor Kung (Canada resource) is Excellent plus the Sunvalley SV-EQ1616D Phono Pre-Amp (DIY kit) is a Stereophile Class A recommend for 2 yrs.
 
Is the earth ground connected to the PCB, and not the chassis?
The question is whether the connection at the PCB is signal ground or chassis ground (and whether the two are tied together through the board). I don't think the OP knows, or maybe he doesn't understand the question.

Jack
 
The question is whether the connection at the PCB is signal ground or chassis ground (and whether the two are tied together through the board). I don't think the OP knows, or maybe he doesn't understand the question.

Jack
Right. It looked like the earth ground goes to the PCB only. Also its hard to tell if there is any ground from the PCB's going to the chassis or not. Roy's instructions aren't as precise as Bob's were. Roy expects the builder to understand grounding schemes. I know there was some mention of the power transformer being too close, but I've used several toroidal transformers and have had zero problems with them causing any hum.
 
I had purchased from Roy his Phono Preamp PH16-X and V22 SP14 Pre-Amp installed, and these are dead quiet. I would ask Roy if you can send the Phono Amp to him for a checkup?
His reply for support seems short to me which I also had a similar response about the Dip Switches on the Phono Amp. I had purchased a Elekit TU-8550 and Sunvalley SV-EQ1616D and support from
Victor Kung (Canada resource) is Excellent plus the Sunvalley SV-EQ1616D Phono Pre-Amp (DIY kit) is a Stereophile Class A recommend for 2 yrs.

I was hoping for dead quiet. I am reluctant to ship anything anymore. I just had a harrowing experience with UPS. Shipped my Nakamichi ZX-7 for a total restore. Came back with a board cracked. Sent it back and it was really damaged again. The transport was trashed and the bowen cable damaged. Of course, UPS says it wasn't properly packed. It was well packed. I have shipped 70 lb. amps without problems. Anyway, I kinda gun shy now.
 
Is the earth ground connected to the PCB, and not the chassis?
Yes, earth ground connects from the IEC filter earth to the CT ground on the power board. The ground is then jumpered from the Power board to the preamp board ground.
 
The question is whether the connection at the PCB is signal ground or chassis ground (and whether the two are tied together through the board). I don't think the OP knows, or maybe he doesn't understand the question.

Jack
Could be I don't fully understand. This is what I know, the earth ground at the IEC filter connects to the power board PCB at the CT grnd. The transformer shield wire also connects to IEC ground, the chassis ground comes from the case of the IEC filter itself. I think this is how it works. Take a look at the picture of the IEC filter wiring in post 21.
 
Right. It looked like the earth ground goes to the PCB only. Also its hard to tell if there is any ground from the PCB's going to the chassis or not. Roy's instructions aren't as precise as Bob's were. Roy expects the builder to understand grounding schemes. I know there was some mention of the power transformer being too close, but I've used several toroidal transformers and have had zero problems with them causing any hum.

The screws and standoffs holding the PCBs are connected to chassis ground.
 
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