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Official Camaro ZL1 Thread

Both vehicles use conventional springs with electronically adjustable (in real time) shock dampening. How are they so different?
 
whoaru99 said:
Right, which was my point...there are two completely different classes of electronic suspension. To just say they both have electronic suspension isn't enough detail to make a conclusion on the respective influence.
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But back to the point, both the Nissan GT-R and Camaro ZL-1 use computer-controlled semi-active suspensions. Nissan uses the Bilstein DampTronic system, and the Camaro uses the BeijingWest Industries MagneRide system.
 
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Jailtime said:
I can't believe Road & Track made that comparison. Whatta joke. They say the ZL1 has no competitors? How about Shelby Mustangs and SRT Challengers?

The GT-R is a technology showcase, with DCT, AWD, and all that crap. ZL1 is manual and RWD. Maybe R&T's drivers just suck.

Let's see how that soulless video game thing does against its real competition, the ZR1. Oh wait, the ZR1 has crushed the GT-R numerous times already.
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Actually, the TOTL ZO6 just beat the GTR too.

The test conditions were quite cold (mid 40's) which greatly favoured the GTR and it's all wheel drive.
 
Ridiculous comparison! All Road and Track was trying to do here was give a watermark to go against, Period. No one anticipated or expected the results they got. Quite the Incredible showing for the Camaro!! On a different note I think the new ZL-1 Camaro is overall an incredible value for your dollar. And obviously holds up the incomparable ZL-1 name, as the Original ZL-1 Camaro`s were Monsters of the Midway back in the day! And Yes I have had the honor of driving one when they were new...well make that two years old back in 71 and OMG!!
 
The Nissan AWD system is effectively a part of it's suspension. It uses yaw sensors to determine real vs target yaw (target being how far the steering wheel is turned), and vary the torque front and rear, and side to side, to correct any differences.
 
Jailtime said:
I fail to see how MRC could compensate for the traction advantage of AWD.
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Tongue planted firmly in cheek, but... an active or semi-active suspension accomplishes many of the goals of performance AWD: maintaining consistent, controlled contact at all four corners.
 
pmsummer said:
Tongue planted firmly in cheek, but... an active or semi-active suspension accomplishes many of the goals of performance AWD: maintaining consistent, controlled contact at all four corners.
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OK, but GT-R and ZL-1 have pretty advanced suspensions. Nissan's gonna be able to get it's 545 HP on the ground better than the Camaro.

I'd like to see what an RWD GT-R could do.
 
I have always loved chevy and still do. they make and have made some truly bad ass cars for many years. not a fair comparison between ZL1 and GTR, how about the hottest 370z you can buy vs a stock SS Camaro, my moneys on the Chevy! One day soon I hope to find the non Ttop 98 or newer LS1 Camaro of my dreams!
 
68custom said:
I have always loved chevy and still do. they make and have made some truly bad ass cars for many years. not a fair comparison between ZL1 and GTR, how about the hottest 370z you can buy vs a stock SS Camaro, my moneys on the Chevy!
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How about both bone stock.

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The comments in this test show some bias, IMHO.

http://carsort.com/compare/Chevrolet-Camaro-vs-2011-Nissan-370Z-RWD-Coupe-Manual-V6-3.7L
 
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Did those clowns stick their wallets under the throttle and brake pedal in the SS? Car and Driver got 4.8 to 60, 13 flat in the quarter, and 162 feet from 70MPH. The 370Z did 4.9 to 60, and 159 feet from 70. Both 09 models, that's the magazine I had handy. :D
 
Jailtime said:
Did those clowns stick their wallets under the throttle and brake pedal in the SS? Car and Driver got 4.8 to 60, 13 flat in the quarter, and 162 feet from 70MPH. The 370Z did 4.9 to 60, and 159 feet from 70. Both 09 models, that's the magazine I had handy. :D
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Their data is indeed highly suspect, lots of cut and paste and contradictory info. But it was the only head-to-head comparison I could locate.
 
GM Delays Shipping 2012 Camaro ZL1

From Edmunds Inside Line:

DETROIT — The new 2012 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1, one of the most eagerly awaited enthusiast cars in some time, is going to take a little longer to reach dealers than expected. On Thursday, a Chevrolet spokesman told Inside Line that initial shipments of Camaro ZL1 are "on hold." In a telephone call, spokesman Monte Doran said, "Through the standard quality assessment process....we found a potential concern that we want to address." Doran told Inside Line the issue was not software-related, as reported by some media, but declined to be more specific.

Doran added, "obviously, we want to get (the ZL1) out as soon as possible, but we don't have a timeline yet as to when we will ship the cars" to dealers. Doran confirmed that one ZL1 was shipped "inadvertently" to a Chevy dealer in Texas: "That dealer prematurely delivered the car to a customer, so we had to go get the car back (because) we had not approved the car for sale."

Earlier this week, the Web site GM Inside News posted a March 2 letter to dealers from Russell M. Clark, Chevrolet's Director of Small Cars, Small Utilities and Performance Cars Marketing, saying: "All Camaro ZL1 models produced to date are currently being held by General Motors for a quality assessment. At this moment, the duration of the hold is undetermined, and may last a few more weeks. As soon as the hold is cleared, a note will be sent to all dealers to advise that 2012 Camaro ZL1 shipments are under way." The 2012 ZL1 Coupe has been slated to go on sale this spring, priced from $54,995, followed this summer by the 2013 Camaro ZL1 Convertible, which has not been priced.
 
I give GM credit for doing the right thing and getting the issues sorted out before delivering the vehicles. 20 years ago the problems would have been handled by the dealers through warrantee repairs. It's refreshing to see this new customer centric approach. :thmbsp:

One caveat; they better get it done in a timely manor, the window of opportunity for having the fasted pony car is closing quickly.
 
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General Motors (in a partnership with Delphi Corporation) has developed this technology for automotive applications. It made its debut in both Cadillac (Seville STS build date on or after 1/15/2002 with RPO F55) as "Magneride" (or "MR") and Chevrolet passenger vehicles (All Corvettes made since 2003 with the F55 option code) as part of the driver selectable "Magnetic Selective Ride Control (MSRC)" system) in model year 2003. Other manufacturers have paid for the use of it in their own vehicles. As of 2007, BMW manufactures cars using their own proprietary version of this device, while Audi and Ferrari offer the MagneRide on various models.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetorheological_fluid#Automotive_and_aerospace
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I remember the GM ads when came out on the STS .
Interesting Thread here Pony car wars continue on.
 
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lwrs10 said:
ever drove a new camaro? I have. I could care less if it had 1,000hp. It was not comfortable for a short guy to drive.
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A friend of mine just took me to lunch in his new Mustang convertible. I asked him if he considered the Camaro or Challenger. Yes, he did, and he liked both, but disqualified the Camaro based on the seating and visibility. Just felt too low, he said.
 
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