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Opinions on My Current Setup and Foray into Vintage Audio Geari

My father used to enjoy listening to vinyl, even though CDs had become ubiquitous and ruled the music landscape by the 1990s and I remembered how lively the music sounded out of his stereo setup. Fast forward 20 some years and here I find myself trying to recreate a similar listening experience that my dad once enjoyed before he passed.

Just out of graduate school, I decided to find a used turntable and see what it would take to build an effective stereo setup and I quickly found a fair amount of joy and thrill hunting for good deals in vintage audio equipment. So far, I have scrounged the following by lurking on various local market places (CL, FB Markplace, etc):

Turntable: Technics SL-3300 -- Had to drive a good distance but was able to get what I thought was a decent turntable. I have been eyeing some Pioneer turntables recently; maybe I just like the look of wood and bright metal?

Amplifier: Pioneer SA-7100 -- This is what really turned me down the path of vintage audio. It was listed as not working but I watched and watched the listing and it was clear that it wasn't going to sell; the dude was asking somewhere close to $200 even though he said that it had no sound output. I made an offer of $50, and with a background in repairing solid state pinball machines, I figured it wouldn't hurt take a stab at it. I brought it home, plugged it in, and it worked perfectly. I still can't figure out what the issue was as I have been all over the amp. I'll be recapping it soon and replacing some transistors while I'm in there for good measure.

Speakers: Pioneer CS-203 -- I just picked these up locally as I wanted something a little more substantial than the bookshelves I've been using. So far I like them a lot, but they don't hold a flame to the HPM 100s that guy I purchased them from had in his setup. I can't find much info on these speakers. When I do a google search I see a number of posts relating the CS-G203s but very little on the CS-203s.

Preamp: Shiit Mani -- I originally picked one up when I realized that my modern Yamaha receiver didn't have a phono section. I keep flip-flopping whether to keep using it as my SA-7100 has a phono section. I want to say, however, that the music sounds a little more vibrant with the Mani plugged in, however.

I am still learning a lot about audio gear and have a lot of history to wade through regarding vintage equipment. Any suggestion regarding future upgrades, speakers to look out for, etc., would be appreciated. Keep in mind, of course, that money is tight and I'll largely keep to looking at what's cheap and local...If anything, it keeps me on my toes.
 
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Welcome,
Watch out that vintage Audio bug can bite hard.
Your speakers could be part of a whole unit department store setup.
You may do better with a matching preamp as you will have bass and treble control, or does the shiit have that.
The pioneer cs 77, speakers wouldn't set you back by 1000, just a few hundy. Lots of reading to go.
Have fun, I know I do.
 
Congratulations.....and condolences, your life will never be the same.

Welcome to wild, wacky, wonderful world of HiFi. You are at the top of a slippery slope but man, what a ride !!!

Once again, congrats. Enjoy yourself above all else !!
 
Welcome to the wonderful world of vintage gear. Love your choices. What cartridge do you have on the SL-3300? Depending on what you have, I'd probably be looking at that as my first upgrade. Cheers!
 
You did well Grasshopper. I would say the speakers are the weak spot. Look at vintage KLH like models 5,6,17 etc. I have a SL-3300 in my workshop system, solid table that never misses a beat. I run a ADC XLM II and a Stanton 500 on it, both sound great.
 
What cartridge do you have on the SL-3300? Depending on what you have, I'd probably be looking at that as my first upgrade. Cheers!

The person I picked the SL-3300 from installed a Nagaoka MP-110. I can't be certain on the amount of the use the cartridge has seen, but I'd guess a fair amount. So far it seems to track quite well and I've been very impressed by the level of detail I am getting out of it and my overall setup. It's odd to listen to music that I've heard a million times, and find subtle details in the music that I've never noticed before.
 
You did well Grasshopper. I would say the speakers are the weak spot. Look at vintage KLH like models 5,6,17 etc. I have a SL-3300 in my workshop system, solid table that never misses a beat. I run a ADC XLM II and a Stanton 500 on it, both sound great.

Yeah, I am liking the SL-3300 a lot. When I first saw it I mistook it for a SL-220, and after a number than less than favorable reviews, I passed on it. But I ended up taking a closer look and found that it was a step above. I was mainly looking at Technics tables because that's what I remember my father having--an SL1200 if I remember. Sadly, that's been gone for a number of years. I'm not too certain where the SL-3300 stands in the SL-X pecking order and would love to know more if anyone is willing to talk about the turntable.
 
Your components are nice pieces - you did well. The speakers could be easily upgraded. The classic move would be a pair of Large Advent speakers. Very nice bass out of these floorstanders.
 
I would say the speakers are the weak spot.
Agree.

To give solid advice on what speakers to look for it might help us to know what sorta music the OP listens to primarily.
At least that may be a concern when one is looking at the "budget minded" end of the speaker spectrum.

My speaker preferences tend towards ADS ~ Canton ~ Cerwin Vega ~ JBL ~ Infinity et-al.
But that's just the tip of the speaker iceberg really.

JM2¢ ~ FWIW

Bret P.
 
The person I picked the SL-3300 from installed a Nagaoka MP-110. I can't be certain on the amount of the use the cartridge has seen, but I'd guess a fair amount. So far it seems to track quite well and I've been very impressed by the level of detail I am getting out of it and my overall setup. It's odd to listen to music that I've heard a million times, and find subtle details in the music that I've never noticed before.
That's the best thing about a decent vinyl set up...hearing new things that you didn't before. That Nag cart is excellent. There is room for upgrading, but no rush. Enjoy!
 
Yeah, I am liking the SL-3300 a lot. When I first saw it I mistook it for a SL-220, and after a number than less than favorable reviews, I passed on it. But I ended up taking a closer look and found that it was a step above. I was mainly looking at Technics tables because that's what I remember my father having--an SL1200 if I remember. Sadly, that's been gone for a number of years. I'm not too certain where the SL-3300 stands in the SL-X pecking order and would love to know more if anyone is willing to talk about the turntable.
I eventually was given all of my dad's old audio equipment by my dad. I felt obligated to keep it, maintain it, and for a while had the entire setup I grew up with all hooked up - Pioneer SX1250, Dual 1249 with a Shure V15 III, JBL L65's, Pioneer Centrex 8-Track player/recorder, and my old Akai cassette deck. I also had a pair of JBL L112's that my dad gave me for a Christmas present in 1982. Eventually, I sold the SX1250 right here on Barter Town, and also sold both pair of those JBL speakers. I guess what I'm saying is this - enjoy those memories, but when it's time to move on just do it. I'm always on a budget and I'm real happy with what I have right now, especially the speakers (Klipsch Cornwalls). I'm running all tubes right now (modded Dynaco ST 70) and I really like it. Been listening to lots of LP's lately, which is the only reason I have this gear. Glad you are here. This is a nice place, great forum, the best one I belong to - you can learn lots, and the thoughts and advice of people no longer with us are still here helping us with our projects and our choices.
 
To give solid advice on what speakers to look for it might help us to know what sorta music the OP listens to primarily.

Right now, if you were to go through my very small record collection, you'd see a lot of stuff that would fall within the metal/rock genres. I've largely been recollecting a lot of metal and Death Metal albums that I've been into over the years, but I've been playing some more toned down stuff like Ghost, Faith No More, etc.. I would certainly like to find something that will bring my metal/rock albums to life.
 
Really nice setup you've got going! I used to have that turntable and it's a really solid performer.

I bet a pair of Pioneer HPM series speakers would suit your musical tastes if you could find them for a reasonable price. I had a pair of the smaller HPM 4O's many moons ago, and they didn't suit my system, but it struck me at the time they'd make good rock speakers.The larger HPM 6O, 1OO and 2OO should be right up your alley but they can get pricey.

Also look at Realistic Mach 1's, and pretty much any decent-sized JBL speaker from the seventies.

I know vintage Cerwin-Vega speakers get a lot of love but I have no direct experience.
 
Based on your described musical preferences you should try to find some Cerwin Vega's or JBL's, both excel at rock / metal.

Where are you located ?
 
Sounds like you're on the right path. I like the idea of doing waht you're doing in buying some what are likely to be solid, if not exactly high end old components for good prices, tweaking them a bit to get the best sound, living with the stuff for a while and only after a while, when you've come to some conclusions about how everything is working, figure out the potential weak spots and upgrade accordingly... or don't bother upgrading at all.

A couple of things that I would do, is get a new stylus for the turntable and learn how to set it up properly. This can make a world of difference. If the cartridge in it is a really cheap one, it might make sense to get a new one of those along with a new, sharp stylus (and even the type of stylus can make a noticeable difference). I'm not so knowledgeable about this stuff, but I'm sure that others on the forum here can give you lots of advice on waht cart might be best for that TT for the budget that you have to spend. This might be the cheapest and most dramatic upgrade that you can do...

The next upgrade that I would consider, if you are indeed considering such a thing would be to the speakers as they often make a more dramatic difference in the sound than any other component. Just makes sure that you look at ones that are well matched to the amp that you using...
 
as you like metal then you might want to look into one of the earliest and one of Metalicas influences, Breadfan was a cover of a Budgie song.

 
as for vintage speakers classic AR's are always a good choice, but the highly sought after can be expensive. If patient you might get lucky and find a pair of AR58S, a true classic AR 12" 3/way from it's dome mid to the furniture grade cabinets.

These share part of there model number with some other vinyl clad models so fly under the radar, but the secret is starting to get out, I picked mine up a few yrs ago for $275.

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they look right at home with a vintage silver face system
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in case you're wondering the turntable is "The Rock", Kenwood KD500
 
Much of a system's potential performance has to do with optimizing placement in your room. You see lots of systems here crammed against (and behind) giant cabinets that wreck the ability to render a good image. Or the speakers are placed four feet apart.

Care to share a pic of your environment?
 
yep, there's no replacement for placement lol. That's why there are two systems in this room, the best location for 2 channel music reproduction isn't the same as the best location for the front mains in a multi-channel setup employing a center channel speaker.

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some concessions must be made for aesthetics in our living rms if the little lady is to be kept happy, it's enough we fill every room with equipment, its nice having a dedicated media rm like above.
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also there are times when just having music is the prime motivator with imaging and soundstage taking a back seat, like the bedroom. Not only are these to the side of the bed but one is aimed directly at the bed, still rocks.
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again, my lady is very forgiving lol
 
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