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P-D70, in China

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Thanks Doc... it reminds me I should post the 70 soon on TVK!

As for China, it is well known that while the little people suffered the enlightening happiness of just-around-the-corner prosperity and shared and everlasting comrade-ship, the aparatchiks were enjoying a very palpable present-time opulence. Imports included :D
 
After a bit more thought on this, it could be a very interesting auction to watch. If it sells, and what it sells for, could be a barometer of things to come. There is a lot of news lately about the massively growing economy in China. When people start laying down money for audio equipment, especially vintage equipment, that tells me things are changing rapidly.

Of course, when a country of 1,300,000,000 people claims that ping-pong is their major sport, they will lie about other things as well.<g>

Doc
 
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Great feedback on the seller, too............
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Yes, the feedback score is pretty dismal. I wish I could read the feedback to see what the comments are.

Does anyone know how popular eBay and auctions are in China? I never really considered this until I saw the P-D70 for sale.

Doc
 
When people start laying down money for audio equipment, especially vintage equipment, that tells me things are changing rapidly.
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The japanese already bought most of the Altec/JBL/QUAD/Thorens/EMT in the 70s and 80s...
I'm sure the chinese "nouveaux riches" will go for mega-buck (sorry: mega-yen, no, that's japanese currency but you get the drift) ML/Goldmund/Transrotor spacecraft-spec and ultrasonic gear and definitely not for a Pioneer SX-1250 or a Sony TA-N7. That is, I hope they won't!


As for bidding, I'm sure you'd first have to learn to write chinese first and have the seller accept to ship to such a distant (and ridiculously small in comparison) country like the US...
Watching the japanese Yahoo auctions, one can see quite clearly that none of the sellers ships internationally. Why? Because that is the one and only thing written with an occidental/western font :-)
 
I took a look at what the seller has sold recently. Some components (pioneer, sony, kenwood), some speakers (jbl, klipsch), but nothing stellar. The prices that the items sold for seem to be unreasonably low, but I guess it is what the market can handle.

All of the bidders seemed to have a low number of feedbacks, which just seemed unusual.

I just find it interesting. It would also be interesting to get someone from China to join in on the discussion. I have always been impressed with the audio market in Germany and Japan, as I see so many pieces of equipment from those countries. However, I see little from the UK, France, and Italy, although there are pockets of activity (Axel, for example). And those pockets of activity are deep into the equipment.

I am going to post another thread to point people to this one. Hopefully, someone in China, or who knows and understands the market, will join in.

Doc
 
Doc,
If a pocket, I'm an itsby-bitsy-tiny little one.

Whether vintage or new, Germany is the only market left in Europe.

The UK still is alive but perhaps with some kind persisting slant toward certain brands :D I don't know much about Italy, but the Scandinavian countries seem to be the only other vintage-audio land in Europe. France is dead as a door-nail - trust me, if there are some pockets left over here, you could count them on your two hands only. And you couldn't put much in them, either.

In about ten years, I've only met ONE single person "into" vintage audio (very much 50s/60s Quad-oriented he is) in Paris. That person has btw donated a HUGE amount of lit' to TVK with about three times as much waiting in the wings! Luckily, he lives two streets away so I can bash his system and he can bash mine - nothing like a friendly neighborhood :lmao:

Anyway, go in a french audio shop, ask about something pre-1990 and people will not even answer - just a little "huh?" will their ignorant shoulders show. Almost the same on the french eBay (and at exorbitant prices!!). Reading the posts here about the thrift find of an SX-1250 makes me... jealous :D Nothing of the sort here.

We're supposed to be good at food, wine and revolutions, but music not. But I find it surprising, too, that the UK (at least web-wise) isn't as active as one would think it would, given the successful and illustrious UK audio brands... The japanese have all the treasures but unfortunately, not many speak english.
 
Axel, you have some excellent pieces of equipment. While I like quantity, nothing beats quality. Given the choice, I'd rather have a few quality pieces than a lot of "so-so" pieces.

The UK is surprising to me as well.

In Germany, Siamac's collection is very impressive.

And there are other great collections out there. But the absence of this hobby in some countries is interesting.

No thrift stores (Salvation Army, Goodwill, etc) in France? Do the French just discard these old and vintage items, or did they ever have them in the first place?

Doc
 
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french situation...

France always was a small market so... small market = high price = not selling much = x-rare = when people offer a good piece, they ask about three times what it is worth in the US = the few remaining us go to eBay.

No thrift stores (Salvation Army, Goodwill, etc) in France?
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There are some: the imported "Cash Converter" chain was dismantled after a while (for political reasons - would be an interesting thread "off-topic") but audio scores in the remaining CC shops are not possible - nothing but real BP junk. I visit at least one each week, went in one this afternoon - nothing as usual. In the Goodwill equivalents one may find stuff, but not audio.

There are some spots north of Paris where the main flea markets are but even this has mainly turned into regular antiques annexes. Stuff can sometimes be found there but one has to search REAL hard but it doesn't mean an interesting piece will reward the patience spent.

France is the one country that junked its LPs for CDs the fastest - that says it all. The gear we all enjoy was bought like elsewhere (although in smaller numbers than Germany or the UK) but was thrown away when the 1980s/90s "better/newer" came along. Not stored away, just thrown away.
My Montmartre pal just heard of an audio shop owner who recently junked (junked!) a pair of ESL57 because "it's old and nobody's interested in that old stuff". He's a shop owner! And I dream of getting ESL57s!! Strangely, he kept the QUAD IIs...

There are collectors, of course, like everywhere, but they are far and few in between and 90% of them shop... on the German eBay, on the US eBay, at hifi-do in Japan etc.
But french people are extremely secretive, too, so those big collections (they exist), well, you never hear about them.
 
I can only speak for the audio market in Korea where it is similar to, but not as extensive or sophisticated, as what I've read of the Japanese market.

But remember, the "Asian Tiger" economies of the 80s spawned a lot of high end markets in Taiwan and Hong Kong, along with lesser markets in Thailand.
So the Red Chinese took back Hong Kong in what, 1999? I would expect a few pieces to find their way out of HK into the mainland where the economies are picking up.

This is just a rationalization, I don't know anything for sure.
 
China is a very good export market and right now the best export market for McIntosh. Even old Dung, the great proletariat had a full set. The Chinese love music and have a lot of catching up to do.

Ron-C
 
...and I received this morning an email from a fellow in China: he just got a Yam' B-2 and wants to register it on TVK...

If chinese buy V-Fet units like the japanese imported old McIntosh and JBL in the 80s - better find a V-Fet for yourself NOW :scratch2:
 
Isn't this a re-listing?
Or maybe there was a stock of NOS D70s?

Anyway, the proletariat doesn't seem interested by a 22 years old CD player :D
 
One sold for 299.00 RMB (about 36 USD, 29 EUR), one has 4 days left, and the third just started.

All have the same photo. I wonder how many the seller has. For 299 RMB, plus shipping, I may buy one...

Doc
 
funny, I checked the "seller's other items" and found nothing...
Could you make contact with him?

Surely, at 40$, it's a steal :-)
 
I was thinking of contacting him, but with his feedback, and three concurrent P-D70s for sale by him, and that one sold for almost nothing, I would be very worried about just throwing money away.

I wonder what the shipping would be from China to the US or France? How do you say FedEx or DHL in Chinese?<g>

Doc
 
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