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P Mount Cartridge Recomendation

I am in the same place exactly, and the general consensus is the AT 92ECD complete cart for $27 on Amazon. The Shure may be a bit warmer but it is a $50 cartridge.
Ok, what does "warmer" mean, and I found two cartridges with the same number on Best Buy, but one is a conical and one is an elliptical. What's the difference and how do I know which one is better for my turntable? Thank you.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/audio-t...ef:212,loc:2&gclid=CKWAkKTUk9QCFZCIswodY_oHbg

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/audio-t...ef:212,loc:2&gclid=CPqC3JLVk9QCFd6PswodZ70KoQ
 
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If you're not limited financially, I'd also look at the Stanton 747S, Pickering XSP-3003, Grado Black (or other models).

The differences in tip types will be for more or less detail. Conicals don't dig down into the grooves as much as ellipticals do, and there's even more tip types that go deeper. The deeper you go into the grooves, the more detail comes out of them.
 
Hey, I have the P228 for my Technics SL-D35 turntable, a unit that I purchased around 1982. I cleaned my old Technics receiver yesterday, went to try an LP today and no sound came out. I checked the stylus and there was nothing there! Only the two parts of the cartridge remain! I have no clue how it broke or was jogged loose. So I am looking for a replacement. My budget is definitely less than $50. I really want to play my LPs. I am a pretty casual user and don't have such a fine tuned ear that I would notice a lot of sound variations that many of you might have. And by the way, why would I need to keep the two pieces below if there is no stylus? Thanks for your help.

Get an elliptical :
http://www.lptunes.com/Replacement-for-Panasonic-Technics-EPS228ES-stylus-p/pas228es.htm

Or better yet, a HE - hyper elliptical
http://www.lptunes.com/Replacement-for-Panasonic-Technics-EPS228HE-stylus-p/pas228he.htm :thumbsup:
 
I recently revived a Technics SL23 that came with an ADC PSX30 cartridge in a 1/2" adapter with what I assume was a well-worn stylus. It sounded OK but after replacing the stylus with a cheap EVG option, it improved probably 300%.

Yours is a better cartridge so I'd assume the percentage increase with a new, good stylus would be even greater.

Edit - these comments were intended for the OP, not the recent posters.
 
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If I had your table and cartridge, buckeye, I believe I'd go for the elliptical stylus that Balifly recommended.
 
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buckeye56, I had good results with the EVG PM2855DE stylus for your Technics cartridge from eBay seller Casa-Dia Vinyl Records.
This stylus will keep your system going while you investigate all the other suggestions you're getting.

UPDATE: the above listing has ended.
 
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The two carts on Best Buy the elliptical is preferred by most, to get better tracking and detail. Amazon has the AT92ECD for $27 if you have Prime. My guess is that it will not sound much different than your original cartridge when new. To get a bigger difference in your sound reproduction, it will cost you more $$$$$$.
 
(...) Conicals don't dig down into the grooves as much as ellipticals do, and there's even more tip types that go deeper. The deeper you go into the grooves, the more detail comes out of them.

Actually that isn't quite correct or at least somewhat misleading/easy to misunderstand, depending on how you meant it.

Detail retrieval capability of a tip mainly depends on how small its minor radius is - that's the curvature radius along the length of the groove walls. And then there is the major radius - the larger, the flatter and thus larger are the two contact areas along the width of the groove walls), which is mainly interesting in combination with records that are already somewhat worn by tips with smaller major radius, similar to how a wider car tyre would easily ride over an embedded tram rail a small bicycle tyre would drop into.

So "digging down into the grooves" is somewhat misleading, as the actual bottom clearance and central ride height of different non-conical tip shapes doesn't differ all that much (unless we'd be talking about different tips for different groove types, of course). Instead this would rather go for differently sized conical tips for not sporting different minor and major radii.

Greetings from Munich!

Manfred / lini
 
Actually that isn't quite correct or at least somewhat misleading/easy to misunderstand, depending on how you meant it.

Detail retrieval capability of a tip mainly depends on how small its minor radius is - that's the curvature radius along the length of the groove walls. And then there is the major radius - the larger, the flatter and thus larger are the two contact areas along the width of the groove walls), which is mainly interesting in combination with records that are already somewhat worn by tips with smaller major radius, similar to how a wider car tyre would easily ride over an embedded tram rail a small bicycle tyre would drop into.

So "digging down into the grooves" is somewhat misleading, as the actual bottom clearance and central ride height of different non-conical tip shapes doesn't differ all that much (unless we'd be talking about different tips for different groove types, of course). Instead this would rather go for differently sized conical tips for not sporting different minor and major radii.

Greetings from Munich!

Manfred / lini

my Comment was geared more towards a quick response as the op doesn't seem to be well he hearsed in the analytics of diamond shape types. So to go into the explanation you provided may be more of a confusing statemwnt. I may be incorrect in my assumption, but when I 1st got back into vinyl I wasn't aware of the different types either. I thought they were all the same . So the response was a generalization and not a scientific response.

If I am incorrect in my assumption I apologize. But if he is asking what the difference is between elliptical and conical, your explanation still doesnt answer his question.

Having said this as well , isn't an elliptical or fine line or Paratrace or Shibata a finer cut than a conical . And aren't they touching more of the groove walls? So aren't they bringing out more details ?
 
Ok, what does "warmer" mean, and I found two cartridges with the same number on Best Buy, but one is a conical and one is an elliptical. What's the difference and how do I know which one is better for my turntable? Thank you.

Here is an illustration of the difference in the stylus tips;
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I've only ever had one table with a P-Mount, it was a Technics SL-M2. I purchased the cartridge from the link below, at lpgear.com. It was the Audio-Technica T4P Series V. It has a Shibata diamond and sounded excellent. Very resolving but a bit light on the bass. It was good at extracting virgin audio information (especially the high frequencies) from even worn-out records. As an added plus, it used a very light tracking force and so it was easy on the records- helping to minimize any future wear..

https://www.lpgear.com/product/LPGATSER05S.html

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I've only ever had one table with a P-Mount, it was a Technics SL-M2. I purchased the cartridge from the link below, at lpgear.com. It was the Audio-Technica T4P Series V. It has a Shibata diamond and sounded excellent. Very resolving but a bit light on the bass. It was good at extracting virgin audio information (especially the high frequencies) from even worn-out records. As an added plus, it used a very light tracking force and so it was easy on the records- helping to minimize any future wear..
https://www.lpgear.com/product/LPGATSER05S.html
https://www.lpgear.com/product/LPGATSER05S.html

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Lol, thanks. I'm in the market for something under $50. I'm not an "audiophile" by any means, just someone who wants to go back and listen to all of her classic rock and other albums; music that I don't have on CD.
 
Understood. In that case another vote for Freddymac's recommendation of the $27 AT92ECD, I am sure its performance will be very good for the price paid..
 
JF: I'd need to make a couple of drawings for a better explanation, 'cause a verbal description is rather difficult. Maybe I find some time for that in the next couple of days. But you'd better not wait for that, 'cause I also need to feel like it, and my mood hasn't been the best for the last couple of days - especially as it currently is rather warm over here (30 °C +), and like most over here my place also isn't air-conditioned...

Greetings from Munich!

Manfred / lini
 
Hi. So I got the $27 AT92ECD from Amazon and am pretty much back in business with my turntable, happily listening to my LPs despite the snap, crackle, pop sounds that come out sometimes, possibly due to the LPs being played so much in the past or maybe this stylus picks up every little sound. Thanks all for your help!
 
Buckeye, Now is the time to start looking at record cleaning. Dirty records are where your snap crackle and pop come from. The minimum I would suggest is a VINTAGE Disc Washer D3 or D4 with cleaning fluid. I don't know your budget and like all things in this hobby you can spend to the stars. Let us know more and we can make appropriate suggestions.
Enjoy!
 
I'm pretty far from an 'only vinyl forever' so much of my vinyl is from thrift stores and used record stores.

I mostly dust them, then clean them on a direct drive table then when they are dry, I rake a carbon brush across them and ground the brush to the spindle.

Just that two minute ritual reduces snaps, crackles and pops tremendously! An actual record cleaning machine is better for sure but for the cost of 10 microfiber cloths, a little solution and a $10 carbon fiber brush, you can expect a big improvement vs not having cleaned them in a few years.

Also, you might try a conical stylus for vinyl in more rough condition. Usually a conical will smear over many of the imperfections and will often increase the bass balance at the cost of some detail.
 
Buckeye, Now is the time to start looking at record cleaning. Dirty records are where your snap crackle and pop come from. The minimum I would suggest is a VINTAGE Disc Washer D3 or D4 with cleaning fluid. I don't know your budget and like all things in this hobby you can spend to the stars. Let us know more and we can make appropriate suggestions.
Enjoy!
Thanks, I still have the D4, just need to locate the accompanying "brush" that comes with it. It's somewhere in my house.
 
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