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Phono input without phono section?

I think it's a design choice

it makes sense if you want to experiment with different phono preamps but did not want to use an input labeled "aux"
As long as the advertising for this pre-amp clearly stated that there is no onboard phono pre-amp, I guess it's okay.

To me, it's like having BASS and TREBLE knobs, but no tone stack in the unit. Saying, "Well, you need to buy an aftermarket tone section and insert it into the pre-amp. Then, the knobs will work."
 
When I ordered my Aretha MKII preamp from Erhard Audio I did not want the optional tube MM phono stage as I have a separate that can handle MM and MC. I still had him make the faceplace with a phono label. Holger will label it anything you want.

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My Ella failed a few months back needing a beefier bridge rectifier, now I'm getting channel drop outs. The drop outs are coming from the L/R gain controls that are stepped ladder controls. I would have expected this preamp to last longer than 8 years. I'll be using my faithful little Marantz 1060 SS integrated amp as a preamp until I decide on something else. I really don't want to have to pay over $1,000 for an updated PCB and new transformer for the Ella.
 

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My Ella failed a few months back needing a beefier bridge rectifier, now I'm getting channel drop outs.
I presume you tried different tubes in the unit?

Man! A failed rectifier bridge is not good. Usually, this is a sign of a bigger underlying issue. Like a weak or improper power supply design.

Well, good luck with the fix!

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No built-in tape pre, tuner, DAC, or CD player either. All inputs should be labeled aux. :rflmao:
DUDE! Those are inputs. It's universally known that you need an external DAC or CD player. Right?

You plug a turntable into this pre-amp and see what happens when you spin the dial to PHONO.

Sheesh!

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As long as the advertising for this pre-amp clearly stated that there is no onboard phono pre-amp, I guess it's okay.
I looked at the website and didn't see any reference to the phono input.

The lack of a phono preamp doesn't surprise me because anyone considering a preamplifier like this may already have one or more outboard phono-preamps or at least is considering buying one.

To me, it's like having BASS and TREBLE knobs, but no tone stack in the unit. Saying, "Well, you need to buy an aftermarket tone section and insert it into the pre-amp. Then, the knobs will work."
Not the same thing. Outboard phono preamps are very common. Crutchfield has over 20 phono preamps available, who's buying these? More than likely those who have high-end separates or those who have A/V receivers without phono inputs.

Is a stand-alone BASS/TREBLE control readily available?
 
Is a stand-alone BASS/TREBLE control readily available?
No. I was thinking of a daughterboard that plugs into and activates the tone stack on the pre-amp.

It prolly doesn't exist for Hi-Fi. It was common in Ham radios to add features and activate controls.
 
Is a stand-alone BASS/TREBLE control readily available?

they exist, I believe @Blue Shadow has one though I do not recall who makes it.


Yes, the Luxman LRS piece, 5F70 is a four-turnover frequency each bass and treble tone control unit with the addition of a parametric bass cut control for that nasty peak in the room. From LUXMAN ラックスマン 5F70 ラボラトリーリファレ... - Yahoo!オークション a couple pics one showing details of the ‘Acoustic Equalizer’ as Lux calls it.

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There are probably a few companies supplying something like a tone control unit today. The Loki mini is a 4 tone band unit with bass and treble plus a couple between them.
 
I understand that external phono preamps are common, but I still think it's a poor choice to label that input as phono. I guess with a boutique handmade unit like this, they can do whatever they want, since they expect the owner to know what they are doing, but I don't think this would fly with any consumer gear.

What if the owner croaks and the preamp ends up in an estate sale or thrift shop? I would be very confused if I picked this up used and tried to plug in a turntable.

There's got to be some kind of common language, and to me, "phono" on and input means it's a RIAA phono input.:dunno:
 
My Anthem integrated hybrid amp II lacks a phono stage but has space to plug in an outboard and use one of the two Aux setting. It has a separate CD input and selector as well.
 
I was on Reddit today, and there was a guy saying his preamp had a phono input, but didn't actually have a phono section. Has anyone ever heard of this? The unit in question was a VTA SP14 tube preamp. I always assumed that an input labeled "phono" contained a phono preamp. This seems really odd to me, and 3 things are possible.

1. He is wrong, and this preamp does indeed have a phono section.
2. I am uninformed and this is actually somewhat common.
3. It's just bad design.

Which is it?

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Maybe the selection is there because the phono stage might be an option not included with the base model. It the phono option is ordered, then the knob position will work to select that. Just guessing.
 
Indeed. My EAR 868L has a phono input even though it has no phono board inside. The case is identical between models (868L and 868PL) and the phono stage can be added later.
 
I understand that external phono preamps are common, but I still think it's a poor choice to label that input as phono. I guess with a boutique handmade unit like this, they can do whatever they want, since they expect the owner to know what they are doing, but I don't think this would fly with any consumer gear.
I looked at their website and there is no reference to the phono input, that is the confusing part. Had you not brought this up, I would have assumed it to be a full-fledged phono input.

What if the owner croaks and the preamp ends up in an estate sale or thrift shop? I would be very confused if I picked this up used and tried to plug in a turntable.
Any of us unfamiliar with it would be confused as well. The exception would be the newbie who just bought a cheap turntable off of amazon which has a built-in phono preamp. It would be plug-and-play for them except when they try to hook up speakers, unless of course they have powered speakers.

So it seems, the target customer for this preamp would be either the snobby audio-phile or the snotty hipster :rflmao:
 
I presume you tried different tubes in the unit?

Man! A failed rectifier bridge is not good. Usually, this is a sign of a bigger underlying issue. Like a weak or improper power supply design.

Well, good luck with the fix!

:thumbsup:
Tubes are fine. There is a dual DC regulated filiment supply. One for each of the two channels. The voltage come from a single filiment transformer. The added optional phono preamp board draws it's heater voltage from one of those channels. The bridge rectifier on that one channel was running close to its maximum amp rating. That's the one I had to replace with a higher current one. I went and replaced both rectifiers and regulators whilenI was in there. But now the stepped attenuators are dropping out. I'm just done messing with this thing.
 
I looked at their website and there is no reference to the phono input, that is the confusing part. Had you not brought this up, I would have assumed it to be a full-fledged phono input.


Any of us unfamiliar with it would be confused as well. The exception would be the newbie who just bought a cheap turntable off of amazon which has a built-in phono preamp. It would be plug-and-play for them except when they try to hook up speakers, unless of course they have powered speakers.

So it seems, the target customer for this preamp would be either the snobby audio-phile or the snotty hipster :rflmao:
The customer could ask the seller if the phono preamp is actually present, too.
 
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