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Piezo-Azden-Acutex Thread

I got the Spectrum SC212 in the post today. (You Canuckians have some weird stamps!) Even though I now fear I may never find a stylus for it, I went ahead and measured the channels. Here's what I got:

Left
1,120 ohms
1,006 mH

Right
1,131 ohms
1,028 mH

That's some healthy inductance!

John
 
Akai PC-100 (RS-100 Stylus)
Hitachi MT-103 (DS-ST103 stylus)
Kenwood V45 (N45 Stylus)
Eagle P-750X
Eagle P-750SX

are a few more clones of the Acutex/Piezo 3 series 'stubby' trip-ole bricks (non spectrum shape)

The Hitachi and Kenwood bodied versions seem VERY elusive but if the generic stylus are still available, I guess the bodies must be out there somewhere too..:scratch2:
 
From my other thread, the Piezo YM-320X i have measured this for impedence:

1139 ohm on the right channel
1152 ohm on the left

Don't have an inductance meter on hand to check, but wualta said his was about 990 mH per channel
 
The Piezo YM-308IIE body is 400mH, channels matching almost exactly. I have two Piezo YM-310s, one of which is consistently 990mH. The other has bad channel matching: 930mH and 970mH. And yes, I'm joking about the badness thing-- that inductance imbalance is less than 1% and completely inaudible.
 
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A separate thread for all the permutations of these cartridges is an excellent one. So many questions.

As asked on the Acutex 412 thread do any brethren have the specifications for the Acutex M110E? It seems my Empire 245 is, in reality, one of these beasties re-badged.

Gerard
 
I've got a M110E in the box with the spec sheet:

Specifications:
Stylus Grip Color: Red
Stylus Tip: Class A Diamond (def. bonded, probably elliptical, looks like an aluminum cantilever)
Tracking Force: 1.7- 2.5 g
Output Voltage: 4.5mv @ 1000Hz/ 5 cm/ sec
Channel Balance: within 1.5db
Channel Separation: 26db
Frequency Response: 20 - 20,000 HZ
Compliance: 10x10(-6) cm/dyne
DC Resistance: 490 ohms
Impedance: 3,500 ohms @ 1,000Hz
weight: 5 grams
 
Some pics...
 

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Thank you both, boreas and ecdarby. That is more than I ever found although I'm not sure how I missed the specs given at vinyl engine. I really appreciate you both posting this information for me. May the karma pass on. :tresbon:

Gerard
 
The azden ym-p50vl is supposedly the finest specimen in the P mount azden cart lineup. Also related are the ym-p20 which I have, with a Jico/EVG 245-de replacement on it.

I used to work for an audio store part time when going to college. We were an Azden dealer, so I got to hear a lot of their cartridges. The YMP50VL was a nice sounding cartridge, and we sold a lot of them for either P mount use, or with the 1/2" adapter. Very nice cartridge for $129 or so, but it was a bit expensive for people in the late 80's.

So we also sold a lot of the YMP 50VL, and the YM10E and YM10VE.

The Azden cartridges never sold for list, and were heavily discounted. Great value for the dollar though. The store bought them by the case, and they were our primary seller.

Regards
Mister Pig
 
Regards. Several years ago a trove of the Azden carts turned up on ebay, YM-P20e and YM-P50VL.

Accompanying info. has: Azden Corp., 147 New Hyde Rd., Franklin Square Ny. All packaging and literature is from Japan.

Another hybrid MM/MI design, specs given for the 20e, 50c, 50e and 50vl are (in that order):

Stylus color: Blue, clear, blue and red (the 20e and 50e apparently shared the same stylus).

Stylus: .03 x .07 ellipt., 0.65 conical, .03 x .07 ellipt, Vital nude line contact (VL)

FR: 10-22kHz, 10-20k, 10-22k, 10-24k.

Tracking: 1.25 =- .25gr (all).

Output at 1kHz/5cm/sec: 4.0mv (all.

Channel bal.: 1.5dB, 1.5, 1.5, 1.0.

Seperation at 1kHz: 24dB, 26, 28 and 30.

Cantilever Al, Al, Al, and resounding of the space-age, UT58 (titanium alloy) for the VL.

Load: 47k/300pF (all).

Weight: 5.9gr (all).

Tried both the 20e and 50VL, the 20e was uninspiring. The 50VL offered sweet mids, easy hfs and the nicely integrated bass one might expect from the Ti cantilever/Vital line contact strapped to an IM cart. There is no evidence of tri-pole elements. A hint of overshoot from both, possibly due to reflected boundary resonances consequent to the P-mount adapter. The YM-50VL encourages long-term listening, the 20e was somewhat irritating. The 20e is long gone, the 50VL a keeper.

As to the "hybrid" quality, the stylus demonstrates magnetic attraction and there is, similar to an IM cart, a magnet mounted above the stylus.

Peace.
 
... As to the "hybrid" quality, the stylus demonstrates magnetic attraction and there is, similar to an IM cart, a magnet mounted above the stylus.
I double-checked my three YM-P20Es and Empire LTD 490 and though the round receptacle in the body just above the cantilever could contain a body magnet, it doesn't. What looks like a magnet is only a plastic plug. There's no magnet inside the body that my steel wire probe can find, either. I don't have a YM-P50 to test.
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Thanks, Wualta, did a double check. Appears the Azden would rather chase a pin than attract it. Plastic plug, scores easily. A thousand or so pardons?

Peace.
 
Tut tut. Not necessary. Those cartridge bodies were obviously set up so a customer could order a zillion yellow IMs on Monday (in which case they'd pop a magnet in that hole), and a billion blue moving-magnet jobs on Wednesday.

You brought up an interesting point that has some relevance to recent threads: Was there ever a cartridge deliberately designed to operate in "hybrid" mode? I don't think there was, but on the other hand, I'm not at all certain there wasn't.

[UPDATE: I've since found three: the IMS/Nagatron/Nagaoka P2000 and P2500 (designed for IM but will accept the Empire MM styli), the Marantz CT-551 and the Sanyo MG-66/67; oddly, all p-mounts. In all cases, the IM version has a "pill" magnet glued inside the stylus grip; there is no body magnet, and both IM and MM styli use the same body.]

Add to this the aftermarket Stanton 681EE, which can be bought MM or MI, depending on which online vendor one picks.

Since these cantilevers are easily removable and replaceable, we could, with some surgery on the 'magnet pocket', make our own IM version of the YM-P20E... which by the way reminds me of my Acutex 412.
 
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Tut tut. Not necessary. Those cartridge bodies were obviously set up so a customer could order a zillion yellow IMs on Monday (in which case they'd pop a magnet in that hole), and a billion blue moving-magnet jobs on Wednesday.

You brought up an interesting point that has some relevance to recent threads: Was there ever a cartridge deliberately designed to operate in "hybrid" mode? I don't think there was, though my Sonus PME comes close. On the other hand, I'm not at all certain there wasn't.

Add to this the aftermarket Stanton 681EE, which can be bought MM or MI, depending on which online vendor one picks.

Since these cantilevers are easily removable and replaceable, we could, with some surgery on the 'magnet pocket', make our own IM version of the YM-P20E... which by the way reminds me of my Acutex 412.

Have you become better friends?

John
 
It's the cooling-off period. The 412 has been relegated, like the P20E, to CD-4 playback duty.
 
If they ain't much good at wigglin', don't make 'em wiggle much, is my philosophy regarding stubborn diamonds-on-sticks.
 
Got my YM-308 from Germany today. I haven't mounted it yet so I don't know how it'll sound but I did measure the coils and 'scope the stylus. Here's what I found.

Left
775 ohms
440mH

Right
826 ohms (crap!)
442mH

Below are photos of the stylus @100x. I can't really find any definitive data on this stylus. The YM-308II is apparently an elliptical measuring 0.3 x 0.8 mil. The YM-308 may be the same but I don't know. Meanwhile, the Cartridge Database describes the Azden YM-308 simply as an elliptical without dimensions.

Maybe one of you eagle eyes can spot it but I see absolutely no faceting on this stylus. I've always been able to see that at this magnification with any elliptical I've examined. What this looks like to me is a bushed conical industrial diamond. Not very inspiring but we'll see what it sounds like.

John
 

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great to see a close up pic :thmbsp: I think quite a few of these stylus are probably pseudo elliptical at best unless they are new old stock and branded as a manufacturers replacement. I'd be interested to see what the cheap generics look like under a scope in comparison :scratch2:
Hope it sounds ok though. I can just make out a little dot of light at the very front of the tip's point which might be a reduction of the sphere to an oval...but it could just be wishful thinking (or tired eyes)...
Stilll at least you have a chance to give it a listen now :thmbsp:
 
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