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Pioneer SX-1010 no sound

If you are confident in the testing you did on the amp boards, and that there are no other bad components on them, you could reassemble everything and power it up on a dim bulb tester.

I would however at least replace the Q5 & Q6 2sc1451's on each board, paying careful attention to the lead configurations of the new transistors going in. Are you familiar with the transistor symbol and it's lead designations?

I would also do Q4, and Q7,8,9 & 10 at least on the board where R23 looked somewhat burned (that whole string was stressed) and the other board for symmetry. On Q9 & Q10 there are also mica insulators.

Q11 and Q12 could be tricky, and I would be sure by testing that the leads were identified correctly before insertion. It isn't a bad idea to test every transistor before insertion - I do...

When you are ready to turn it on, dial both bias pots to zero ohms, and each offset pot to roughly the center.

Then connect it to a dim bulb tester. The bulb brightness represents current draw, initially bright (high) as the big caps charge, then dims down. IF it stays bright, there's too much draw, and a problem.

While on the dim bulb, temporarily increase the bias current for each channel as a test, then turn it back down to zero. Then if things behave themselves, you can remove the tester and bring it up on line voltage.

note: on the dbt, there is less voltage at the unit, so adjustments would be too high on normal voltage - thus turning them back down. Plus the increased draw from idle current adjustment will brighten the bulb, cutting the "line" voltage and possibly kicking the unit into protect.
 
If you are confident in the testing you did on the amp boards, and that there are no other bad components on them, you could reassemble everything and power it up on a dim bulb tester.

I would however at least replace the Q5 & Q6 2sc1451's on each board, paying careful attention to the lead configurations of the new transistors going in. Are you familiar with the transistor symbol and it's lead designations?

I would also do Q4, and Q7,8,9 & 10 at least on the board where R23 looked somewhat burned (that whole string was stressed) and the other board for symmetry. On Q9 & Q10 there are also mica insulators.

Q11 and Q12 could be tricky, and I would be sure by testing that the leads were identified correctly before insertion. It isn't a bad idea to test every transistor before insertion - I do...

OK. This is great.

Please let me know if it is a bad idea to just replace all transistors on both amp boards, as I did order them, and most are already out.

I am familiar with the transistor symbols and have the data sheets for all of them. I will be cross referencing both the board and the SM to ensure they go in correctly, as well as testing them individually.

What watt bulb for the dim bulb tester? 60 then 100? I still need to make it. Probably not until Friday as I have to go to CA for a work trip.

Thanks again for leading me through this.
 
Also of note. The bad output transistors I am replacing are:
Toshiba 2SA679, replaced with 863-MJ21193G pnp
Toshiba 2SC1079, replaced with 863-MJ21194G npn

Were those not original?
 
Probably were original, different numbers could have been used.

I just remembered, do the amp caps too.

Sure, the 992's are nice and quiet transistors too.

Use 100w bulb. It draws enough quiescent current that 100w is justified.
 
When you are ready to turn it on, dial both bias pots to zero ohms, and each offset pot to roughly the center.

Then connect it to a dim bulb tester. The bulb brightness represents current draw, initially bright (high) as the big caps charge, then dims down. IF it stays bright, there's too much draw, and a problem.

Rebuilt the amp boards today and connected to DBT after setting bias and offset as you said. Bulb dims quickly as it should. Testing voltage on the big caps, getting 40.6V DC on the right and only 3.6v DC on the left. I have not moved the pots. Should I, or is the left main cap bad?
 
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I'd be interested to know why 3.6v while the bulb dimmed as it should. Hope it's not the transformer but a blown rectifier.
 
Seems like the next steps should be:
1. Pull output transistors and test main caps to see if voltage comes up on left channel

2. Test bridge rectifiers - not sure how to do this, or what replacements are available. Have seen they are referenced as 200v 5 amps

3. Test transformer output - not sure on a good grounding point in front of the rectifiers.
 
Seems like the next steps should be:
1. Pull output transistors and test main caps to see if voltage comes up on left channel

2. Test bridge rectifiers - not sure how to do this, or what replacements are available. Have seen they are referenced as 200v 5 amps

3. Test transformer output - not sure on a good grounding point in front of the rectifiers.

Now we're back to reading that AC voltage across the big capacitor with a DC blocking capacitor in series with the meter's leads.

1. We won't have to pull the transistors - we KNOW they are good.

2. Testing the bridge rectifiers on the awr-053 (or awr-063) board in circuit is tricky, due to the transformer's secondary having a low dc resistance, as well as the capacitors connected on the other side.

3. The transformer output is fine, because it is charging up the other polarity's capacitor just fine.

You CAN do the diode test on all 4 power diodes, and see what results you get. It shouldn't hurt anything.(with the power off for a while, allowing the caps to discharge)

It is almost certainly the capacitor that is bad. It is probably the cause of the initial failure as well. The capacitor will be far easier to find and replace than the diodes.

It would be useful to get a picture of the fuse / rectifier board just in case the diodes do have a problem.

You now need to get those two Newark.com caps, #95F4478 that EchoWars talked about. sorry.....
 
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Now we're back to reading that AC voltage with a DC blocking capacitor.

Picked up the .1uf 100v poly cap at Fry's last night. Will be back in Denver on Friday and report back AC voltage readings. Also ordered main caps from Newark.
 
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Picked up the .1uf 100v poly cap at Fry's last night. Will be back in Denver on Friday and report back AC voltage readings. Also ordered main caps from Newark.

Then we're all squared away...

safe travel.....
 
Great thread! I just picked up a like unit. No audio. Tuner does not appear to be working. No meter movement. Dim bulb test is good so no direct shorts in the power supply. It'll be interesting when I dig into this thing.

Thanks for the grest info in this thread! It'll prove very useful! :banana:
 
Now we're back to reading that AC voltage across the big capacitor with a DC blocking capacitor in series with the meter's leads.

With the .1uf blocking cap attached to the red lead and measuing across the mains caps I am getting 0 volts AC, with the unit powered up on the DBT.

Good, bad, ugly?
 
With the .1uf blocking cap attached to the red lead and measuing across the mains caps I am getting 0 volts AC, with the unit powered up on the DBT.

Good, bad, ugly?

strange... and the bulb is dimmed? not burning brightly?

CAREFULLY, measure the AC voltage from pin 1 (black lead) to pin 2 (far side of blocking cap from red lead ) of the fuse board awr-063.

With and without the blocking cap.

There should be little difference in the readings.

Confirm that there IS DC voltage on the big caps when turned on.
 
strange... and the bulb is dimmed? not burning brightly?

CAREFULLY, measure the AC voltage from pin 1 (black lead) to pin 2 (far side of blocking cap from red lead ) of the fuse board awr-063.

With and without the blocking cap.

There should be little difference in the readings.

Confirm that there IS DC voltage on the big caps when turned on.

DBT burns bright for .5 sec and then dims, just like videos on YouTube with no short.

from pin 1 to pin 2 I am getting 0 volts AC using this cap: http://octopart.com/mlr104k100-nte+electronics-1075875

I get 66 volts AC w/o cap. Am I using an incorrect cap? m, M, u confusion on my part maybe? My cheap multimeter calculating AC from DC?

DC voltage across big caps (w/DBT) is 4 volts left, 40 volts right
 
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It's puzzling, needs deeper thought....

Wait for caps installed b4 next readings.

remember one cap has minus grounded

the OTHER cap has PLUS grounded....

rectifiers would be a pita to replace - on those metal straps.
 
Caps installed. Red to positive, orange to negative. No change.

Well, I knew the lucky streak had to end sometime. We need to fix the high current rectifiers. :tears:

I think for now, we should implement a test setup with conventional 1 amp rectifiers. Like 1n4004's (or 1n4007 etc).
 
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