Ported vs Suspended
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dnewma04
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I very much doubt that acoustic suspension is more musical, in my experience ported enclosures don't give up musicality and actually tend to improve some aspects of musicality. As Brennan mentions, some of the best midrange comes from large drivers in big ported enclosures. At the AKfest, I lost count of how many people said Ed and I had the best bass at the show. I doubt anyone in this thread would have found it unmusical, accentuated, slow, sloppy or in any way boomy.
Or any of the smaller Tyler Acoustic speakers, i.e., D-1, D-2, D-3 and D-4 for example. Of course with the D-1's weighing in at 170 lbs. each, one wouldn't neccesarily call them small, but each speaker has four, very tight sounding, 7" woofers that to my ears, rival anything I've heard for tight bass. Oh, and the Tyler's are ported.
I own a pair of the Tyler Acoustic D-2's myself (traded my D-4's in for them), and they use two 7" woofers in each speaker and weigh 140 lbs. each. Anytime someone would like to have a listen, give me a shout.
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cornwallguy
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There are excellent and poor examples of all speaker box designs
im just repeating alot of whats allready been said
Some of the finest sealed boxes for home use ive heard are the Mcintosh systems
Also in there i would add the AR-9
The smoothest tuned port box ive heard is the one i owned for a while...the cornwall
As PWK said, there is no substitute for good engineering.
im just repeating alot of whats allready been said
Some of the finest sealed boxes for home use ive heard are the Mcintosh systems
Also in there i would add the AR-9
The smoothest tuned port box ive heard is the one i owned for a while...the cornwall
As PWK said, there is no substitute for good engineering.
Especially considering the stuffing seems to have shifted...
cornwallguy
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he sure had a way with words eh
mhardy6647
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Paul Willbur Klipsch also said something to the effect of "What this country needs is a good 5-watt amplifier."
He used to wear, and give out, the yellow "B...s..." buttons.
EDIT: He made vented (Cornwall), sealed (Heresy) and folded horn (Klipschorn) loudspeaker systems, FWIW.
He used to wear, and give out, the yellow "B...s..." buttons.
EDIT: He made vented (Cornwall), sealed (Heresy) and folded horn (Klipschorn) loudspeaker systems, FWIW.
cornwallguy
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I remember that quote !, true enough actually!
i think i first saw the "no subsitute for good engineering statement on one of his Dope from Hope papers ..(i think)
I am with you on that,I have 23s and 32s...and love them.:yes:
johnda
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I'm listening to one of the best balanced speaker systems I have ever owned.
I have owned AR4x, Dleuxe Advent, Dynaco A25 and still own KLH 6 and Polk Monitor 30 plus PSW 10 subwoofer systems. The system which gives me the most satisfaction is my Realistic Nova 8 speakers.
The Nova 8's are an interesting design, based on KLH 5 speakers, with drivers made in Japan. The catalog states they have a 12" acoustic suspension woofer and they have cabinets the size of AR 3's. I did recap one speaker and will do the other one this winter, although that speaker's caps seem fine.
My feeling is, after removing the woofer to replace the caps , that they really are more infinite baffle types as the woofers have more spring to them than true acoustic suspension speakers. If you remove an AR woofer it just flops around because the air spring gone. Well, in any case the Nova 8's don't suffer from foam rot and their sound while being driven by my Pioneer SX-780 is musical, powerful and clean without being TOO crisp. Absolutely great with the music I like, jazz club small orchestra with vocals,
I'm listening to Dinah Shore singing "It had to be you" on Pandora. The background piano is really great and her voice is RIGHT THERE. Cool!
Now it could be the room also, this system is in my study and I listen to it while I'm on the computer and the furnishings in this room are more plush than my listening room where the Polk system is. The extra damping might be helping, but the richness of the music is perfect to me. Right now Nat king Cole is singing "Mona Lisa", sorry, I HAVE to go now and just listen!
OK, song over. So, I have owned Bass Reflex, Acoustic Suspension, Infinite baffle and Aperiodic speaker systems. I think there is no stand out winner as far as type of system, it really depends on how that system is designed, built, and powered. And when you have a winner, you'll know it in your gut!
I have owned AR4x, Dleuxe Advent, Dynaco A25 and still own KLH 6 and Polk Monitor 30 plus PSW 10 subwoofer systems. The system which gives me the most satisfaction is my Realistic Nova 8 speakers.
The Nova 8's are an interesting design, based on KLH 5 speakers, with drivers made in Japan. The catalog states they have a 12" acoustic suspension woofer and they have cabinets the size of AR 3's. I did recap one speaker and will do the other one this winter, although that speaker's caps seem fine.
My feeling is, after removing the woofer to replace the caps , that they really are more infinite baffle types as the woofers have more spring to them than true acoustic suspension speakers. If you remove an AR woofer it just flops around because the air spring gone. Well, in any case the Nova 8's don't suffer from foam rot and their sound while being driven by my Pioneer SX-780 is musical, powerful and clean without being TOO crisp. Absolutely great with the music I like, jazz club small orchestra with vocals,
I'm listening to Dinah Shore singing "It had to be you" on Pandora. The background piano is really great and her voice is RIGHT THERE. Cool!
Now it could be the room also, this system is in my study and I listen to it while I'm on the computer and the furnishings in this room are more plush than my listening room where the Polk system is. The extra damping might be helping, but the richness of the music is perfect to me. Right now Nat king Cole is singing "Mona Lisa", sorry, I HAVE to go now and just listen!
OK, song over. So, I have owned Bass Reflex, Acoustic Suspension, Infinite baffle and Aperiodic speaker systems. I think there is no stand out winner as far as type of system, it really depends on how that system is designed, built, and powered. And when you have a winner, you'll know it in your gut!
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jerrymrc
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That is an "ELITIST" attitude if ever I saw one!
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Just a nice way to cover the bases.... So to speak.
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