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Psvane KT88 Treasure II

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About a year and a half ago, I had the good fortune to meet Ian Grant at his Airdrie, Alberta store. I had gone there to inquire about possibly replacing the stock KT88’s on my Yaqin MC100B with a quad of Psvane’s.
Upon hearing that I had replaced the other stock tubes with vintage ones (thanks BYoungman) he proceeded to lecture me on the drawbacks of old stock tubes versus purpose designed new glass. (new being specifically designed with soundstage, presence and musicality in mind as opposed to the somewhat more hit or miss approach of the early tubes from the 50’s and 60’s as well as doubting the longevity and reliability of used or old tubes among other reasons)
After leaving there much chagrinned and enlightened, I went home and looked-up the prices on a quad of Psvane Treasure KT88’s as well as vintage ones such as Mullard or GEC. ($435 for the Psvanes , more than half as much as the cost of the amp itself and over $800 for the vintage ones). OUCH!
18 months later (ironically on the eve of Ian’s passing, may he rest in peace), I finally pulled the trigger. Within 5 days of placing the order, the tubes were delivered by DHL all the way from Hong-Kong.
I immediately set about swapping out the cheap as dirt stock tubes and setting the bias. Since the TV was already on, I ran it through the amp while I set the bias just to make sure that all was well and that the tubes were firing on all cylinders so to speak. Within minutes of turning everything on, I was pleasantly surprised to note a clear difference in the quality of the sound of the TV as compared to what I was used to with the stock tubes which was rather anaemic at best. Once all the parameters were set and good to go, I switched to the CD player and proceed to listen to Pink Floyd’s Wish you were here and Meddle. I chose those two as I had been listening to them over and over for the past couple of days, and their sound under the old tubes was still fresh in my mind.
Since I really don’t know what is implied by words such as soundstage and presence etc, I will only say that the difference was like moving from a small house to a much larger one. The sound was bigger, the ceiling was higher, the atmosphere was airier (if there is such a word). In short, everything was just more. I was also almost shocked to discover instruments used in the recording of Wish You Were Here that I had never heard before. To Wit: what sounded like a wind chime in the intro to Shine On You Crazy Diamond (Part 1), very clear and crisp.
To be honest, being the tree hugging, bleeding heart, question everything liberal type that I am, I cannot help but wonder how much of a placebo effect may be at play here. After shelling out hundreds of Dollars for these tubes, was I hearing what I wanted to hear in order to justify the cash outlay? Maybe a little, but if so, not very much. After all, I did pick-up on sounds and instruments I had never heard before and the improvements are notable and repeatable.
In conclusion:
Are they worth it? Yes
Are they twice as good as a quad at half the price? I don’t know as I have not tried any.
Do I regret the purchase? No F’ing way.

P.S. I have set the bias at .50v, though through a Google search I have come across everything from .3v to .6v as the correct setting. If anybody has more or better info, I would be glad to hear it.
 
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To be honest, being the tree hugging, bleeding heart, question everything liberal type that I am

You must feel like a "fish out of water" living in Calgary.:D Seriously, I hope the tubes live a long and happy life, I've come across a few posts about longevity issues lately.

jeff
 
Because of longevity issues I have switched from Genelex Gold Lion KT88 to KT120 in my tube amps. My amps ran the KT88 pretty hard to get 100w out of a pair of KT88. After blowing two of them within a year I switched to the KT120. Still good one year later.
 
You must feel like a "fish out of water" living in Calgary.:D Seriously, I hope the tubes live a long and happy life, I've come across a few posts about longevity issues lately.

jeff

Yah! No doubt. I have heard rumours of Liberals getting elected in Alberta, but no one can actually tell me when or where. :D
 
Because of longevity issues I have switched from Genelex Gold Lion KT88 to KT120 in my tube amps. My amps ran the KT88 pretty hard to get 100w out of a pair of KT88. After blowing two of them within a year I switched to the KT120. Still good one year later.

Are the KT120's a direct swap for the 88's? I am currently getting approx. 45 to 50 watts in ultra linear mode and would not mind getting more in order to drive my Gale 401Cs which are rather inefficient to say the least.
 
I also run KT120s on this amp and swear by them. The increase in bass response is dramatic and they run cooler, biased slightly higher in the .65-.75 range. They outperform any other kt88 I have tried. I've got a year of daily use on mine without any issues.
 
Are the KT120's a direct swap for the 88's? I am currently getting approx. 45 to 50 watts in ultra linear mode and would not mind getting more in order to drive my Gale 401Cs which are rather inefficient to say the least.

Yes and no.

Yes in that KT120s share very similar characteristic curves as KT88s so biasing, amplification factor, etc. are very similar. This means an amp that was designed for the KT88/6550 but is running the KT120 will produce the same output power. However, tube for tube, since the KT120 can handle more plate voltage and dissipate more static heat than the KT88/6550, amps that are purpose designed around the KT120 can be made to deliver more power than an amp with the same tube compliment in KT88/6550.

No in that the KT120 tube requires more heater current than a KT88/6550. So unless the power transformer can source the extra current, they are not exactly compatible. That being said, I've not found an amp yet that cannot handle the extra heater current of the KT120.

The KT120 is also taller which can be an issue in some amps. I tried KT120s in my Conrad Johnson amp. The tube cover didn't fit, but after calling CJ to confirm the power transformer could handle the extra filament current, I found that the KT120s delivered exactly the same power at the same bias setting (72 watts into 4 ohms) as the 6550. The KT120 also delivered a bit more distortion than the Winged C 6550C, but it handily beat the 6550 in the bottom end.

http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=577227
 
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Different people listen for different things.
I've yet to hear a Psvane product that has disappointed me.
Sometime's it's not about watts delivered, it's about what's delivered.
 
Well shame on the designer for running them that hard.:mad:



Good one!:thmbsp:

jeff

The old KT88 tubes seemed to handle the higher voltage with no problem as I haven't read about the amps being unreliable. New Kt88 tubes don't seem to hold up as well which is why I switched to KT120. And the bass is more powerful than with KT88. There is a KT150 out now but I think I will stick with the KT120's.
 
I've got a set of Psvane HiFi's that sound good, but the bias bounces around some - I end up having to tweak them every start up.

Went with a set of TungSol KT120's and no going back. As said, they're just a sweet, solid sound top to bottom and rock steady. Per KWard's advice, I bias mine at 60mV (the spec for my amp is 55mV) and they really sing.

And yes, you DO need to make sure your amp can drive them properly due to the higher supply requirements. And yes, you WILL get a bit of a boost over what a set of KT88's can produce. You won't see the KT120's full rated power unless an amp is specifically designed for them, but you should see a good 10% watt increase. You should also see major improvements in durability and longevity as you're not going to be working them all that hard in a KT88 based amp. Another selling point is they're very reasonably priced - a matched quad will run you less than $200 anyway.

And most importantly ... they're PRETTY!

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PS ... the KT150's are neat, but at twice the price of the KT120. Haven't heard much about the sound, as there's not a lot of interest so far.
 
Upon hearing that I had replaced the other stock tubes with vintage ones (thanks BYoungman) he proceeded to lecture me on the drawbacks of old stock tubes versus purpose designed new glass. (new being specifically designed with soundstage, presence and musicality in mind as opposed to the somewhat more hit or miss approach of the early tubes from the 50’s and 60’s as well as doubting the longevity and reliability of used or old tubes among other reasons)
That is exactly how audio myths are started: well meaning people believe this nonsense and repeat it. It is repeated over and over until it becomes a de facto audio "truth."
 
Biggest complaint about new production is durability. A lot of that is due to the limited availability of some of the more exotic metals that were used back in the day.

Not to mention that the Planet Police get a bit upset over some of the processes used that may or may not have done irreparable harm to the environment.

Then again, there's a lot of folk who manage to pile some serious hours on new production tubes, so six o' one, half a dozen of the other ...

Personally, I'm willing to pay a longevity penalty if a tube sounds good. Crap sounding tubes that last forever just mean you'll be listening to bad sound a lot longer ...

PS ... back to the OP topic ... rumor has it the Psvane Treasures come off the same line as the Shuguang tubes - main difference is the testing standard is more rigorous. I forget ... something like one in ten Shuguang tubes qualify for the Psvane label?
 
That is exactly how audio myths are started: well meaning people believe this nonsense and repeat it. It is repeated over and over until it becomes a de facto audio "truth."

Boy isn`t that the truth. If you believe that sales pitch than such companies such as Shindo, Leben, ect. who use NOS tubes and attribute their sound to them i guess they do not know what they are doing.

The truth is, just removing the tubes from their sockets and putting them back same as unplugging and plugging back in interconnects can improve the sound. Better yet spray some Deoxit in the sockets and tube pins and you might think you have a new amp. Tube sockets need to be cleaned at least every six months.
 
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