Realistic mach one. Just over hyped?

Just Picked up a set of these mach 1 4024a speakers for $50 off a a buy and sell app on my phone. I was originally super excited to have a speaker that is talked up so much here on AK. Alot talk puts them as a poor man klipsch.

Now when I did listen to these "lengends" I was unimpressed. My main complaint is the bass. It seem to be single note thump thump status with the bottom end sounding not full or hollow. It just seems like it cuts out at 70hz and the bass does not sound deep(dry). Also the highs or mids seem to get harsh at times at louder volumes. My overall thought on these is they are designed to take gobs of power and geared towards parties? Maybe I'm doing something wrong? I was driving them with a Yamaha 1020.
Amen.

Here's mine that I purchased with my Father in 1983..

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While I do cherish them and the memories that I have with them all the way back 1983...
They are best suited to garage duty.
I refoamed them in 2008 for the very first time....
 
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Back in 1983 when I got them home and unpacked them fresh out of the boxes from the factory each one of the Tweeter L pad faceplates had hairline cracks around the screw holes..
I immediately hauled them back the next day and the RadioShack guys verified that and ordered new plates from the factory it took about 5 weeks. . I have made sure ever since that the screws were not over tightened and they are still like brand new to this day. .. I was picky even back then as a fifteen-year-old kid
 
I'm not negative on my first generation MachOne's. I do turn the horns down some. And the volume up to compensate. True they have their own personality, with peaks and valleys as do all my old speakers. Only three of the 16 different brands are notably less so. But they all sound good. I wouldn't have them if they didn't.
The obvious undeniable in the big picture here is a lot of people had good home music from the shack. And for a price they could afford.
 
I had the Mach Ones and one of their 75w receivers..I thought the speakers had the best sound of anything they sold back then. Kinda like some of the old Speakers J.C. Penny sold..MCS I think they were.
 
I had to chime in, as this hits me in the personal life history department like so many I've read posting here. I have a few tech notes about the bass of the Mach's to follow.

In the 70's, when I was a teen in high school, every Radio Shack had these playing something. At that time I befriended the local RS manager (had dinner at his house, helped him move, knew his girlfriend, my girlfriend got a job in his store, etc).

The Mach 1 (2 and 3) were a marketing triumph for RS. They sold millions of them.

Many of us have fond memories of the era, and there's a particular sound color from Mach 1's related to their marketing influenced design that evokes that memory like the scent from mom's kitchen at thanksgiving.

When you like them, so be it. It isn't because they're particularly great, but because they were a phenomenon of that era, leaving an imprint because they became a "thing" in our life history, like the TRS-80, the Apple II, the Triumph spitfire or other iconic products of the time.

I never owned a pair. I heard them in the store as I visited my girlfriend, browsed for electronic parts, or helped fix up the display for in-dash replacement radios and CB's (not a typo, CB radio, the era's version of cellphone for short distances while driving), for hours at a time, for at least two years, not quite every day.

The bass is a bit weak, technically. The bass driver is a high Q design, meaning (colloquially) it has a large bump at resonance. The box is a tad too small, but tuned right below that point where you'd pump the bass control anyway, so it "fit" well for a good, solid "boom" at medium acoustic power. The xmax is below 3mm, so the driver doesn't really move enough for good SLP below 50hz (should have been 4mm or more for the era, 8mm minimum for the 21st century). That fit well with LP playback (to avoid rumble and low frequency feedback - a "feature" of most speakers of the era).

This was a marketing influenced design. Customers looking for a solid, big sound at a particular (full retail) price point, who otherwise didn't have much knowledge about audio systems would be easily impressed by the particular selection of music in store, the placement in store and that swirl on the driver. They sold millions at a very high profit margin.

They are not highly accurate, flat, or powerful. They did sound good to most people.

A number of brands copied the idea, selling an even cheaper implementation of the basic notion of a big cabinet (relative to a family setting of typical home decor), with a big sound (tuned to boom, just enough to be 'nice') and clarity (the horn loading was effective at 'presence' - many copiers didn't bother). I picked up a pair of Jensen CS 315's (for free) which seem to be a market designed product intended to catch the kind of buyer that would purchase Mach 1's but didn't have enough cash, and are much more cheaply made overall. The Jensens have a 15 in woofer in a box barely large enough for it, perhaps a 4mm xmax and a sloppy Vas, which give the impression of a big sound (a marketing notion) and a big box, but probably sold 25 to 50 percent lower retail point with a very high profit margin (I mean, the crossover in the Jensen is just a capacitor on the midrange, and one on the tweeter).

In that way, the Mach 1 was quite superior.

Now, the more discerning you are, the more critical you'll be. I was a classically trained violinist in my youth (ended up as a computer programmer, so I dropped the violin study in my 20's), but I listen to a wide range of music from Haydn to Mahler, Beethoven and Debussy, Van Halen to some modern stuff I can't even name. I never, in my whole life, listen to music at volumes which would injure my hearing, and never attended concerts of rock or pop because of that self protective interest. As such I retain a very critical view of any system, but I have plenty of tolerance for idiosyncrasies because all speaker designs are compromises.

Mach 1's have plenty of idiosyncrasies, and the motivation of the design is about the psychology of sales to the masses more than anything else. It is, however, one of those creations which, perhaps accidentally, landed in a sweet spot that provided a very satisfying result regardless of those design compromises one might consider flaws, some might prefer to call character, or color.

Over the decades, and starting from projects with my father as a child, I've built my own as a hobby, informed by the science (and appropriate testing gear). I built many pairs, with 15 or 12 inch woofers, carefully selected (balanced regarding cost/performance) mid's and high frequency drivers which I would regard is vastly superior to a pair of Mach 1's (with testing/measurements to back up that claim) than a pair of Mach 1's.

Nothing, however, will evoke the memory of that first long term girlfriend, the scent of the Radio Shack Store, or of the first Star Wars, or the release of Star Trek "The Motion Picture", or those particular haunts I frequented, that Triumph Spitfire I drove, or the halls of my old high school quite like a pair of Mach 1's, and that swirled cone.

Even if I don't favor them particularly, I'd pay $100 for a pair just on sentimental value.
 
Happy 4th of July all. Anyone know where I can secure a pair of 4024a mids or specifically their mylar(?) dome assembly? The cork/composite/? ring has cooked off on the pair I have been updating. I started in '18 but shelved the project when I couldn't MFG myself or find this particular part. Frankly I wasn't sure what the original material was that served as a "gasket" between the plastic housing and the actual soft dome of the horn driver.
 

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Happy 4th of July all. Anyone know where I can secure a pair of 4024a mids or specifically their mylar(?) dome assembly?

There are several whole horns on eBay, but not sure of their condition. Says “working”, but the gaskets you’re after may not be any better than yours. Wasn’t sure if you saw them or not.

Joe
 
I had to chime in, as this hits me in the personal life history department like so many I've read posting here. I have a few tech notes about the bass of the Mach's to follow.

In the 70's, when I was a teen in high school, every Radio Shack had these playing something. At that time I befriended the local RS manager (had dinner at his house, helped him move, knew his girlfriend, my girlfriend got a job in his store, etc).

The Mach 1 (2 and 3) were a marketing triumph for RS. They sold millions of them.

Many of us have fond memories of the era, and there's a particular sound color from Mach 1's related to their marketing influenced design that evokes that memory like the scent from mom's kitchen at thanksgiving.

When you like them, so be it. It isn't because they're particularly great, but because they were a phenomenon of that era, leaving an imprint because they became a "thing" in our life history, like the TRS-80, the Apple II, the Triumph spitfire or other iconic products of the time.

I never owned a pair. I heard them in the store as I visited my girlfriend, browsed for electronic parts, or helped fix up the display for in-dash replacement radios and CB's (not a typo, CB radio, the era's version of cellphone for short distances while driving), for hours at a time, for at least two years, not quite every day.

The bass is a bit weak, technically. The bass driver is a high Q design, meaning (colloquially) it has a large bump at resonance. The box is a tad too small, but tuned right below that point where you'd pump the bass control anyway, so it "fit" well for a good, solid "boom" at medium acoustic power. The xmax is below 3mm, so the driver doesn't really move enough for good SLP below 50hz (should have been 4mm or more for the era, 8mm minimum for the 21st century). That fit well with LP playback (to avoid rumble and low frequency feedback - a "feature" of most speakers of the era).

This was a marketing influenced design. Customers looking for a solid, big sound at a particular (full retail) price point, who otherwise didn't have much knowledge about audio systems would be easily impressed by the particular selection of music in store, the placement in store and that swirl on the driver. They sold millions at a very high profit margin.

They are not highly accurate, flat, or powerful. They did sound good to most people.

A number of brands copied the idea, selling an even cheaper implementation of the basic notion of a big cabinet (relative to a family setting of typical home decor), with a big sound (tuned to boom, just enough to be 'nice') and clarity (the horn loading was effective at 'presence' - many copiers didn't bother). I picked up a pair of Jensen CS 315's (for free) which seem to be a market designed product intended to catch the kind of buyer that would purchase Mach 1's but didn't have enough cash, and are much more cheaply made overall. The Jensens have a 15 in woofer in a box barely large enough for it, perhaps a 4mm xmax and a sloppy Vas, which give the impression of a big sound (a marketing notion) and a big box, but probably sold 25 to 50 percent lower retail point with a very high profit margin (I mean, the crossover in the Jensen is just a capacitor on the midrange, and one on the tweeter).

In that way, the Mach 1 was quite superior.

Now, the more discerning you are, the more critical you'll be. I was a classically trained violinist in my youth (ended up as a computer programmer, so I dropped the violin study in my 20's), but I listen to a wide range of music from Haydn to Mahler, Beethoven and Debussy, Van Halen to some modern stuff I can't even name. I never, in my whole life, listen to music at volumes which would injure my hearing, and never attended concerts of rock or pop because of that self protective interest. As such I retain a very critical view of any system, but I have plenty of tolerance for idiosyncrasies because all speaker designs are compromises.

Mach 1's have plenty of idiosyncrasies, and the motivation of the design is about the psychology of sales to the masses more than anything else. It is, however, one of those creations which, perhaps accidentally, landed in a sweet spot that provided a very satisfying result regardless of those design compromises one might consider flaws, some might prefer to call character, or color.

Over the decades, and starting from projects with my father as a child, I've built my own as a hobby, informed by the science (and appropriate testing gear). I built many pairs, with 15 or 12 inch woofers, carefully selected (balanced regarding cost/performance) mid's and high frequency drivers which I would regard is vastly superior to a pair of Mach 1's (with testing/measurements to back up that claim) than a pair of Mach 1's.

Nothing, however, will evoke the memory of that first long term girlfriend, the scent of the Radio Shack Store, or of the first Star Wars, or the release of Star Trek "The Motion Picture", or those particular haunts I frequented, that Triumph Spitfire I drove, or the halls of my old high school quite like a pair of Mach 1's, and that swirled cone.

Even if I don't favor them particularly, I'd pay $100 for a pair just on sentimental value.
Oh I don’t know. Like I said earlier in this thread, the Mach Ones I came across ten years or so ago shook the floors with authority when driven with one of my McIntosh MC2300s. No EQ whatsoever - absolutely flat. They were the first versions with the surrounds that didn’t rot. I enjoyed my time with them for what they were.
 
I bought a pair 15 years or so ago to kinda "go back in time" as well. Just wasn't nearly the same however for me as it was back in the day.
 
To accommodate such a large woofer the enclosure should be twice the size of the original and properly damped and braced. Then the woofer should be thrown out and replaced with one of better quality. The mid range horn and tweeter should also be replaced with better components. Klipsch makes some pretty good horns, some of which might fit. You could cannibalize a pair of Klipsch Heresies, if you can get them cheap.
 
To accommodate such a large woofer the enclosure should be twice the size of the original and properly damped and braced. Then the woofer should be thrown out and replaced with one of better quality. The mid range horn and tweeter should also be replaced with better components. Klipsch makes some pretty good horns, some of which might fit. You could cannibalize a pair of Klipsch Heresies, if you can get them cheap.
Wouldn’t be much of a Mach One then would it?
 
To accommodate such a large woofer the enclosure should be twice the size of the original and properly damped and braced. Then the woofer should be thrown out and replaced with one of better quality. The mid range horn and tweeter should also be replaced with better components. Klipsch makes some pretty good horns, some of which might fit. You could cannibalize a pair of Klipsch Heresies, if you can get them cheap.

I might be odd but I kind of liked the tweeter in the Mach onesI tried. It had a nice crisp sound to it,I feel the midrange was the hot one.
 
If you HAVE to mod them, they are not a great speaker. Plain and simple. Do people mod Infinity IRS Betas? That is the issue. The design was flawed from the start.
Everyone's ear is different and a lot of enthusiasts don't have 4 or 5 thousand dollars to spend on a set of speakers. I think that Steve took a decent speaker and improved it's dynamics which is admirable and and impressive. What is being missed here by just calling certain audio equipment garbage is the point that some speakers and gear are good but could be better. This is often the case because engineers often have cost restraints,shipping restraints,as well as component availability. Only in a perfect world or to someone with bottomless pockets does the perfect piece of audio gear exist. The Mach Ones are far from junk....
 
Just Picked up a set of these mach 1 4024a speakers for $50 off a a buy and sell app on my phone. I was originally super excited to have a speaker that is talked up so much here on AK. Alot talk puts them as a poor man klipsch.

Now when I did listen to these "lengends" I was unimpressed. My main complaint is the bass. It seem to be single note thump thump status with the bottom end sounding not full or hollow. It just seems like it cuts out at 70hz and the bass does not sound deep(dry). Also the highs or mids seem to get harsh at times at louder volumes. My overall thought on these is they are designed to take gobs of power and geared towards parties? Maybe I'm doing something wrong? I was driving them with a Yamaha 1020.
 
There are many factors involved I have a pair of Mach Ones and a pair of pioneer HPM 100's and think they match up to each other well. I know just switching off different amps and preamps can make the world of difference. I wanted a pair of JBL 100's for some time so when a pair became available I bought em and to be honest I enjoy em but I haven't been blown away by them and that's through a plethora of different equipment played through them. It's so subjective it makes it difficult to characterise a set of speakers or at least not ones in my price range...
 
Looking back on what I said. I think they were good for the time period. Compared to what they sold against for the price. Fast forward 35 odd years and there is much better speakers for the money.
 
I liked the tweeter in them they had a nice crisp sound to them; to bad the too loud midrange spoiled the fun.
 
Two things that made Radio Shack the leader it was in the market place were it's free nationwide advertising including a highly detailed annual catalog and several sale flyers mailed during the year, and the huge half price sales they would host once or twice a year.

Back in the day a pair of spanking new Mach Ones for 199 bucks was a speaker deal that was near impossible to beat.
 
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