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Reloop 7000 MK2 – anti-skate & tonearm issues?

Attila S.

Attila S.

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I would like to ask for your kind help and opinion on my Reloop 7000 MK2 turntable.

I bought one and I found that it adds an unpleasant twang to the drums. It is like the drum twangs something in the turntable. Then I found if I push down the turntable’s top left and right side with great force this twang minimizes greatly.

I made comparisons with my old Pioneer PL-100 and that sounded OK.

I went to the shop with this issue and I got a replacement, and it has the same behavior.
At first it sounded OK, but then I noticed I did not set the anti-skate, it was 0. Then I set it to 3 and the unpleasant twang was here again. Then I experimented with the anti-skate and as I turn it down this twang goes away.

What do you think? Is this a kind of normal behavior and my PL-100 is exceptionally good, or there are real unacceptable problems with the Reloop 7000 MK2? Or something else?

Plus what I noticed the Reloop 7000 MK2 (the replacement one) has a way more tonearm wobble than my PL-100. As I make my hand a bit tremble, or as I lift or lower the tonearm manually it makes wobble sounds. (And much more noisier on a record than the PL-100.) Is this normal/acceptable/unacceptable?

I made comparative sound and video samples on both issue. You can find it here:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1LCyclARA033OPcyi3T32_4uPWI8pxH4h

Thank you in advance for your help and opinion,

Attila

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Please use a headphone for checking the sound samples.

The files in the google drive link:
× (CD version).flac
× (Pioneer PL-100) + (Ortofon Concorde Club) + (AS3).flac
× (Pioneer PL-100) + (PC-110 II & PN-110 II) + (AS2.2).flac
× (Reloop RP-7000 MK2) + (Ortofon Concorde Club) + (AS3) + (TT top left and right side pushed down with great force).flac
× (Reloop RP-7000 MK2) + (Ortofon Concorde Club) + (AS3).flac
× (Reloop RP-7000 MK2) + (PC-110 II & PN-110 II) + (AS2.2).flac
× (Replacement Reloop RP-7000 MK2) + (Ortofon Concorde Club) + (AS0).flac
× (Replacement Reloop RP-7000 MK2) + (Ortofon Concorde Club) + (AS1).flac
× (Replacement Reloop RP-7000 MK2) + (Ortofon Concorde Club) + (AS2).flac
× (Replacement Reloop RP-7000 MK2) + (Ortofon Concorde Club) + (AS3).flac
× Tonearm wobble (Pioneer PL-100).mp4
× Tonearm wobble (Replacement Reloop RP-7000 MK2).mp4
 
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Hi Tom,

Thank you for your reply.

On the videos the sound is the main thing, but you should increase the volume a lot to be able to hear the difference: the rattling sound that the arm makes on reloop. You would not see any difference with eyes.

With the PL-100 there is nothing to do, I wanted to replace it with this Reloop. I just brought it here as a comparison, that you can’t hear on it that twang or resonance that the reloop introduces with its anti-skate mechanism. And in it’s tonearm there is less play or looseness which have audible manifestations.

While I recorded the samples my speakers were turned off, and my room was quite quiet. The VTF and AS was set after the manufacturers recommendation.

I already tried on different surfaces. Desk, book, wood, parquet, in my arms, but the twang is the same.
To my ears the LP-100 with the Concorde with AS3 is much closer to the CD version than the RP-7000MK2 with the Concorde with AS3.
To your ears?
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Could you hear the difference between:
× (Replacement Reloop RP-7000 MK2) + (Ortofon Concorde Club) + (AS0).flac
and
× (Replacement Reloop RP-7000 MK2) + (Ortofon Concorde Club) + (AS3).flac
in the first 4-6 secs?
 
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No, I'm sorry, I did not delve into none of the rips. They sound bad on low end - suspiciously similarly bad. I gave your vids another view with full volume on and I still can't pinpoint an issue.
With this new input you've provided, a new question jumps to mind... Do you have the same issue while playing normally on speakers or this manifests only on recordings?
 
tnsilver said:
No, I'm sorry, I did not delve into none of the rips. They sound bad on low end - suspiciously similarly bad. I gave your vids another view with full volume on and I still can't pinpoint an issue.
With this new input you've provided, a new question jumps to mind... Do you have the same issue while playing normally on speakers or this manifests only on recordings?
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Yes, it is noticeably there while playing on speaker, on headphone, and using the phono or line output of this TT.
It is like some kind of reverb effect added to it.
 
I tired other records with the same result, but I don't know how much moderate they were.

I mostly play house music, and this player is for DJ-s, and I would think should handle this kind of music/load.
And it is mostly the same with the cartridge of the PL-100 (and AS 2.2).
 
One more thing just popped into my mind... you mention you can get around that 'twang' (not sure it's the right term as it implies a pitch problem) by playing with the anti-skate dial. I just remembered many of the earlier Hanpin made turntables (AT's, Stans, ION's, Reloops etc) had an issue with the anti skate spring. It was a design flaw and IIRC they offer a corrected mechanism now.

In any case, if you can get around the issue with that dial - do so and leave it there. I wouldn't pay attention to it's reading if it's flawed and chances are that if you've managed to correct it under the extreme House kick drum conditions - it's good to go.
 
On twang I mean a kind of reverberation. The kind of thing that happens when you hit the membrane of a drum. The sound, that this hit produces on the membrane and as it decays. And here the music's drum hits something in the turntable (anti-skate spring?) and its sound added to the music. Currently I can describe it this way. (Unfortunately English is not my mother language.)

If you listen to the "(CD version).flac" then the "(Replacement Reloop RP-7000 MK2) + (Ortofon Concorde Club) + (AS3).flac" and then vice versa. I'm sure you would notice this thing. Even you can count the differences and then you will find it as the first or fourth difference in your own observation.
 
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I gave the CD version a listen and IMO the kick drum decay isn't that great on that track either. These tired old ears went back to the AS3 reloop track for a re-evaluation and this time I was actually thinking the reloop made quite a decent job of reproducing it. It isn't good - no way - but if that's the source - I cannot complain. With honesty, I think we'll need a younger pair of ears to be the judge of that. I do however advise you try to mitigate it again with the AS dial and once you nail it, leave as is for a while, possibly evaluating other music genres until you're sure it is actually related. Then address the shop and ask them to get you one of the newer AS mechanisms.
 
tnsilver said:
I gave the CD version a listen and IMO the kick drum decay isn't that great on that track either. These tired old ears went back to the AS3 reloop track for a re-evaluation and this time I was actually thinking the reloop made quite a decent job of reproducing it. It isn't good - no way - but if that's the source - I cannot complain. With honesty, I think we'll need a younger pair of ears to be the judge of that. I do however advise you try to mitigate it again with the AS dial and once you nail it, leave as is for a while, possibly evaluating other music genres until you're sure it is actually related. Then address the shop and ask them to get you one of the newer AS mechanisms.
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Thank you for giving a listen, and giving your thoughts and opinion. ;)

Unfortunately the proper mitigation is AS 0 and that's unacceptable for me.
I will bring it back to the shop and see what can be achieved.
 
Why couldn't the sound problem be the result of resonance in the misadjusted tonearm? Also, as noted above by @tnsilver, the anti-skate settings on the Super OEMs has been somewhat problematic in the past. In any event, if your cartridge is mounted and set properly, the sound should not distort as you describe. If you bought new, I recommend that you exchange it or ask for a different machine until you're happy.
 
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