RT-909 black
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Mark W.
Nut house of the Universe
OK I have a Question
why is it all the other European market Black Pioneer gear has a different model number then it's N American and US. Military market Silver faced counterparts?
Logically if Pioneer made a Black RT-909 or RT-707 wouldn't it have then been given a different model number or at the very least some suffix like the letter B.
Just seams odd to see the same model number used on a black faced Pioneer.
why is it all the other European market Black Pioneer gear has a different model number then it's N American and US. Military market Silver faced counterparts?
Logically if Pioneer made a Black RT-909 or RT-707 wouldn't it have then been given a different model number or at the very least some suffix like the letter B.
Just seams odd to see the same model number used on a black faced Pioneer.
beans
Got arth-a-ritis
:jawdrop:
matrix
Active Member
hm...for example the multi voltage version of the RT-909 is the military version, but same model name. The difference is just on the owners manual - KU for the 120V only type and D/G for the multivoltage.
But that's all, the content of the manual is also the same.
I know from one movie (don't remember which one) the RT-707 black but without any printing on the face.
But that's all, the content of the manual is also the same.
I know from one movie (don't remember which one) the RT-707 black but without any printing on the face.
pioneervato
Lunatic Member
Matrix, you're killing me here. Is the RTR black version a model actually made by Pioneer or is that a custom modified unit? What's the story on the RTR? Are you the original owner? Where did you get such a fine looking specimen?
matrix
Active Member
I asked before if Burmester, T+A, Audionet is something known in US.
Asked this to know if the very high finnishing quality of these devices is known.
The black RT-909 , meaning the front and all plastics, buttons, etc, were transformed to black in the factory where Burmester and T+A produce theyr fronts and cases.
The finnishing quality is very, very high - better than the silver one - but also very expensive.
The black RT-909 is in new condition - is a nonsense to talk about schratches - much more to talk about how many touches by hand has seen this front panel :yes:
The mod. to black were done in the same look & feel like the silver one:
- Tension arms are more shiny as the panel is.
- plastics with same metalized effect like on the silver one
- knobs, more shiny as the panel is.
- Printing on the face is silver - not white
- Head-base is totaly new - not modded silver one - was done in 3D CNC and is better than the original.
- On the headbase there is not a print !! The letters are also anodized (very expensive finnish) but the letters are pure silver (aluminium color).
And is very durable surface.
- Printing on the face is backed at 170° - so it is much more durable than the black print on the silver R2R
- All letters are same font-type like the original - very intensive vectorization work to obtain cleanest letters - but looks better than the black ones.
- Tension arm guides are brand new because they can't be removed from the silver ones without breaking - manufactured in 200 micron precision.
- Heads are relapped and optically aligned by JRF Magnetics - Remaining head life after relapping is 60-80% from new.
Just ask John French at JRF-Magnetics - he had the black head-base in theyr hand - and told me the guys in the factory by JRF used cotton gloves while handling this black piece of art.
To the main question if RT-909 existed in black or not:
- the answer is Yes. I know it from the early '80s - somebody had it and on the original packaging box was printed RT-909 Black.
I heared that Pioneer manufactured very special orders - not for every one, but for military and similar government institutions.
So that's why there are just few pieces in the world and why they don't appear in any prints or prospects.
That's the story
But don't ask what such a work in such a quality costs - it is ....:tears:
raffie
in Pioneer heaven
I asked before if Burmester, T+A, Audionet is something known in US.
Asked this to know if the very high finnishing quality of these devices is known.
The black RT-909 , meaning the front and all plastics, buttons, etc, were transformed to black in the factory where Burmester and T+A produce theyr fronts and cases.
The finnishing quality is very, very high - better than the silver one - but also very expensive.
The black RT-909 is in new condition - is a nonsense to talk about schratches - much more to talk about how many touches by hand has seen this front panel :yes:
The mod. to black were done in the same look & feel like the silver one:
- Tension arms are more shiny as the panel is.
- plastics with same metalized effect like on the silver one
- knobs, more shiny as the panel is.
- Printing on the face is silver - not white
- Head-base is totaly new - not modded silver one - was done in 3D CNC and is better than the original.
- On the headbase there is not a print !! The letters are also anodized (very expensive finnish) but the letters are pure silver (aluminium color).
And is very durable surface.
- Printing on the face is backed at 170° - so it is much more durable than the black print on the silver R2R
- All letters are same font-type like the original - very intensive vectorization work to obtain cleanest letters - but looks better than the black ones.
- Tension arm guides are brand new because they can't be removed from the silver ones without breaking - manufactured in 200 micron precision.
- Heads are relapped and optically aligned by JRF Magnetics - Remaining head life after relapping is 60-80% from new.
Just ask John French at JRF-Magnetics - he had the black head-base in theyr hand - and told me the guys in the factory by JRF used cotton gloves while handling this black piece of art.
To the main question if RT-909 existed in black or not:
- the answer is Yes. I know it from the early '80s - somebody had it and on the original packaging box was printed RT-909 Black.
I heared that Pioneer manufactured very special orders - not for every one, but for military and similar government institutions.
So that's why there are just few pieces in the world and why they don't appear in any prints or prospects.
That's the story
But don't ask what such a work in such a quality costs - it is ....:tears:
Amazing, I can imagine the cost would be a second hand car, but you have a unique piece, and would be worth what you payed for it I'm sure!
I've done a similar project wich has been done for 90%, plan to let you guys see it when it's 100%.
Again, amazing job! :thmbsp:
BTW, I would use regular remotes, those thin ones look kinda cheap i think.
So you have to have 1000 pieces made? Maybe you could sell them along with the receiver units? I'd certainly buy one!
And just a little question, I can imagine those reels where completely custom made? How about the center pieces, are they custom made or are they taken from existing reels?
OMG. PM me if you ever want to sell it.
matrix
Active Member
raffie: would be impossible to pay the mod of just one pcs. No way in that factory where it was done. But be assured there are fewer than 10 pcs. in black :thmbsp:
This project was streched over more than 1.5 years - with daily work and a lot of successes and insuccesses. And here I like to thank all the AKr fellows (pustelniakr, jblmar), Kevin Kaas and John French from JRF. All this guys encouraged me in the time of insuccesses.
But the project continues:
- as I wrote before the better IR remote control is in work
- and also an DBX module for the RT-909
I am now a little bit down because of the light unit. I will have one with the letters DBX not just a simple light spot. And it must be in the same color and brightness like the blue fluorescent VU. For sure also of very high finnishing quality added to the VU glass.
For sure all these are just add-ons - no modifications of the original R2R circuit. Everybody can move back in minutes to the pure-original condition of the deck.
matrix
Active Member
meggy: I don't have just this one pcs. But just few pcs. Just to tell you something from the history of this work.
It was impossible to pay the mod of just one pcs. - not in that factory.
But for few pcs it was possible - for me also expensive but possible -
I used just decks very good condition - not junk units like you daily can find in ebay.
To give you a direction - when I change from Euro to US$ would be something in the range of 6000 - 6500 US$ what I paid for one pcs. Here is not included the time invested in cleaning reconditioning.
The decks are also inside like at the first hour they leaved the Pioneer factory. Nothing to say about replacements, like damper - mechanically is it very quiet now, and also new (custom made) brake springs etc.
But from other point of view the good part is that what I told you that I paid includes also the black PR-101 reels and the IR remote.
So I'm not ungry when you tell me it is tooo much - I know I am a little crazy and that's maybe why these pcs exists now. Some of these can go to someone who realy can love it like I do or all can stay here and I love them all together - so don't worry, just say straight what you think or mean -
And the question: Are you realy one who can love, respect and maintain such a piece of art?
matrix
Active Member
raffie:
regarding the remote - yes no problem. I can sell you one.
I mean also that the credit-card remote looks to cheap like a toy.
But the regular plastic case is bigger 17 x 5 x 4 cm
What do you mean with center pieces of the reels?
These are original PR-101 silver - faces modded to black, so the center piece is the original metal one from PR-101.
I also have done other reels in black but they are slightly different. The border of the reel is larger and there is impossible to make the print on it in the same way like on the original PR-101. On the original one the Pioneer logo on the hub adapter is exactly 180° vs. the logo on the reel.
On other reels that positioning is not possible because of theyr geometry. But the other reels looks also very very good - can send you a picture if you like.
regarding the remote - yes no problem. I can sell you one.
I mean also that the credit-card remote looks to cheap like a toy.
But the regular plastic case is bigger 17 x 5 x 4 cm
What do you mean with center pieces of the reels?
These are original PR-101 silver - faces modded to black, so the center piece is the original metal one from PR-101.
I also have done other reels in black but they are slightly different. The border of the reel is larger and there is impossible to make the print on it in the same way like on the original PR-101. On the original one the Pioneer logo on the hub adapter is exactly 180° vs. the logo on the reel.
On other reels that positioning is not possible because of theyr geometry. But the other reels looks also very very good - can send you a picture if you like.
thedelihaus
Nocturnal transmissions
I own a 909. I think the black unit trounces my silver unit.
Yours is absolutely beautiful!
Yours is absolutely beautiful!
Very nice work my friend. They do indeed look sweet in black. Now to do a CT-F1250 to match...
Enjoy,
Rich P
Enjoy,
Rich P
matrix
Active Member
yes, and also a SA-9800 :thmbsp:
Beechwoods
Lost In The Woods
Absolutely gorgeous. Thanks for the pictures! Love the idea of a remote too. I've a 707 and just love the Pioneer design from the late 70's.
Thanks matrix, I can appreciate that. It's the L-07D I was drooling over. Beautiful stuff.
jwfabrie
Well-Known Member
my o my,, what a project!! absolutely stunning, but for now this seems to be a little to expensive for my students budget... Time will bring relief
. I still have a CT-F9191 of which I would like to give this same treatment, In such way It would make the perfect match for my 5590 etc.
btw, the TT is a PL-570x, the black version of the 570. I hope to find the 590 someday to complete my series 20 equipment, but again thats for later care.
back to the main subject: It would be mindstaggering to build a full black setup consisting of SA-9800, TX-9800, CT-F1250 and this great RTR.. what a great custom project that would make... I have the feeling that some member of this community is already working on this..:scratch2:
My upmost compliments for this great job:thmbsp: keep up the good work
. I still have a CT-F9191 of which I would like to give this same treatment, In such way It would make the perfect match for my 5590 etc.btw, the TT is a PL-570x, the black version of the 570. I hope to find the 590 someday to complete my series 20 equipment, but again thats for later care.
back to the main subject: It would be mindstaggering to build a full black setup consisting of SA-9800, TX-9800, CT-F1250 and this great RTR.. what a great custom project that would make... I have the feeling that some member of this community is already working on this..:scratch2:
My upmost compliments for this great job:thmbsp: keep up the good work
matrix
Active Member
my o my,, what a project!! absolutely stunning, but for now this seems to be a little to expensive for my students budget... Time will bring relief
btw, the TT is a PL-570x, the black version of the 570. I hope to find the 590 someday to complete my series 20 equipment, but again thats for later care.
back to the main subject: It would be mindstaggering to build a full black setup consisting of SA-9800, TX-9800, CT-F1250 and this great RTR.. what a great custom project that would make... I have the feeling that some member of this community is already working on this..:scratch2:
My upmost compliments for this great job:thmbsp: keep up the good work
thanks to you and to all other for the compliments.
The RT-909 is - I mean - the most complex of all other, because there are a lot sub-assemblies which need special attention, and also special knowledge, otherwise can end in a desaster.
I also had such moments - very dificult is also to mix parts of different decks. There are no two pcs with identical finnishing and black is more dificult than silver. On black is the danger that "clouds" build up in the surface what never happens on silver.
And the R2R have realy big surfaces - must be easyer with an deck or amp. where the free parts of the front don't have so big surfaces.
On this project the biggest problem were the tension arms - to get these mor shiny and to have both (left / right) identical.
Have rejected a lot of them and built up pairs. Also with the knobs is same problems to have them looking identical after anodization. Also build of pairs. The used material qty was big.
basicblues
Well-Known Member
Incredible dedication to the project, excellent work. Thanks for sharing your efforts. I am still trying to get my 8-track out of layaway here, just kidding of course but it seems that way. I have a RT-909 waiting for my attention with hopes of getting called up to the big room.
