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Rule Change to classifieds

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great posts Jim and TA...
I think a seller subscription fee sounds very fair, maybe $25 a year?
im kinda new here but i love the site...great job to all who manage it! :thmbsp:
 
grumpy said:
I drive a 1990 honda civic with 140,000 miles
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I drive a 1985 Volvo wagon with 96,000 miles. I know that's irrelevant here, but I really like the car, and enjoy using a nice old machine that works well. And I'd rather spend the car money I save (don't forget insurance, taxes, etc.) on stereo gear.

That's your point, right Grumpy? :D
 
botrytis said:
I am sorry that you won't be able to dump your stuff for free now!!! You are dumping the gear for the company you work for, for kripes sake!!! YOU SHOULD DONATE TO AK WITH ALL THE GEAR YOU HAVE SOLD ON THIS SITE - I know I have - HAVE YOU?

Dave
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Geesh, what an assumption!

If you care to ask Wardsweb, I HAVE personally donated to this site. Also, the company I work for, pays the specified $50 PER MONTH (which I just sent off to Wardsweb, on March 29th), to be able to post dealer ads. I actually CONVINCED the people I work for, to JOIN AK as a contributing sponsor/dealer, despite their initial doubts. Like I said, I'm not personally made of money, but I DO EVERYTHING I CAN to direct money and help to AK.

And really, if you wanna talk about free- how many of you have gotten the technical know-how to fix your speakers as a result of posts I've made? That knowledge certainly wasn't free for me to learn... it's a result of over 20 years of work, and sometimes just plain trial-and-error effort. Look at my postings over the last year and a half, since I first registered here- at exactly HOW MANY of them (probably at least 50%) related to either helping someone find a part, or to some technique for repairing something that nobody else knew how to fix...

And, as I just mentioned above, I've been VERY careful to NOT mix my personal gear with stuff sold for the store. Ever since the "5 items per month" rule came about, I've NEVER had more than 5 personal items (and these are items I've either rebuilt or found, ON MY OWN TIME AND EFFORT) up at one time, even BEFORE the strict enforcement came about lately.

Man, I don't know why I should have to justify myself like this... this is getting old, fast. Maybe it's time for a break. Not worth putting my stress into the red, over something like this. The doctor is already worried about my blood pressure, I don't need any more of that...

Regards,
Gordon
sincerely disappointed that someone would say stuff like that...
 
Fees No Problem

In response to Toasted Almond l believe you are the most kind, considerate, likeable, most sensitive person l ever have had the opportunity and privilege to post with on any forum. :thmbsp: Well next to RuSsMaN of course. :D
 
Toasted Almond said:
I don't sell a lot here, but I don't sell a little either. I don't have a Paypal account, and don't really want to start one. How about a one time yearly fee to be a SELLING member? Maybe I'm wrong, but it would seem to be easier to police the Classifieds for non-paying sellers than any other type accounting system.
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See, now this makes A LOT of sense to me. All you have to do, is "permission" each paying account, to make them eligible to post threads with items FS. Simply making it IMPOSSIBLE to start a thread without being an eligible member, would take care of 99% of all problems, AFAICT. Very few people are going to add on posts to an existing thread, to "piggyback" illicit ads of their own, and those few that DO pop up, should be simple enough to moderate out of the system...

I'd gladly pay $50 a year, one-time, to be eligible for this... or any reasonable amount, really. It's just the "pay-per item" aspect that makes it unwieldy for people like us, who don't do Paypal or CC's.
 
As one who would not touch Paypal with a stick can I pre-pay? By that I mean I can setup a listing fee account and keep a balance in it. As I plan on dealing exclusively on AK and telling eBay to p**s off I would like to be able to post quickly. Oh yeah, the fee for the CR-840 sale is in the mail, went out three hours ago.

Rob
 
I know I'm still a newbie here, and to the world of audio gear in general, vintage or not. I like to post a lot, compared to some, even tho I don't have a lot to contribute. That has to do with, A) my sincere desire to learn, B) recognizing the need to contribute SOMETHING to the community, even if it's just congratulating someone on a good score, and C) it helps fill up my day to day existence as a disabled person, who spends hours on the puter just for something to do. If I had the money, I'd gladly make a large contribution, just to be able to hang out here, & learn & share. I sincerely hope the problems are resolved in a way that everyone can live with, as this site rocks. To GordonW, please just let it roll off. I see you as one of the major contributors, and I bet most others would agree. :thmbsp:
 
I'll gladly ante up for the privilege to sell/buy here. I love this site and only wish I had more money to donate all the time.
 
I like the idea of a yearly, and a way for the 'pay-as-you-go'.

I'm also going to suggest the addition of one more selling forum, free of charge...AK Benefit Sales...gear that is being sold specifically for the benefit of the site. If a member has something he wants to sell with 100% of the proceeds going to AK, then that would be the place, with the understanding that the only thing the seller is eligible for is shipping and packing costs.

Just a thought... :scratch2:
 
...another thought...

The idea of waiting till 100 posts were met was put forth partly to prevent someone joining simply to dump their gear for no fees on AK whilst using AK's bandwidth to achieve this purpose, and partly to protect members by asking that someone become a part of the community before they sold, with the intention of protecting members from possible fraudulent deals.

The former is solved with a fee schedule, but what of the latter?
 
Echo,

Your ideas are valid, but why penalize the giver with shipping and packing costs? Let the person on the receiving end be responsible for everything. It would (in my mind) lower the initial cost of the item for one. I can't in good conscience sell something for X number of dollars, if the shipping charge is no longer going to make it a good deal for a member. I always try and figure that in when I set a price for something.

As far as the latter problem you brought up, the only thing we have in place is the good sellers forum. Maybe we need a bad sellers forum too. I've been burned by "members in good standing" because the individual couldn't pack worth a ****. I took it in the shorts on what was supposed to be an even swap. I sent out a perfectly good item, packed to withstand a bomb-blast. I GOT a big, heavy, power amp, loosely boxed with a glorified blanket wrapped around it. Busted to **** by the time FedEx delivered it. I got a pretty good sob story from the individual, and then a year or so later, trying to even up the score, he sent me a nice cassette deck........that was busted.
 
trueview said:
great posts Jim and TA...
I think a seller subscription fee sounds very fair, maybe $25 a year?
im kinda new here but i love the site...great job to all who manage it! :thmbsp:
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I'm pretty new here. I haven't got anything to sell, but maybe someday I will. I wouldn't want to have to pay a yearly fee to sell one item. I'd rather it be on a per item basis. Or maybe the option to do either. Flat fee for a whole year or a much smaller fee per item.

Just a suggestion from a nubie who isn't whining at all. Keep up the good work guys.

Ed
 
I can't start a PayPal account because I'm one o' those rare birds without a credit card. I also don't have a helluva lot of money... the bank didn't want my account because the balance was too low. How can I send a small contribution to AK to keep the site running with a money order? This is the first website I've consistently visited that I think is worth spending my hard-to-come-by cash on. It might be just a few dollars, but hey, a million here, a million there, soon we're talking real money.
Tom
 
Your ideas are valid, but why penalize the giver with shipping and packing costs?
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You misread me. The seller is to be paid shipping and packing costs, and AK is to be paid the selling price.
 
my thoughts

EW is the voice of reason. his suggestions make sense to me and seem fair. i've sold quite a few things here and appreciate the fact that i can trust those who buy and sell here, and know that if there's a problem it can be handled civilly. i personally think selling should not be free and that selling on AK should have some type of membership limitation. AK is growing like mad and the more it grows the greater the chance for shadey players. maybe a post barrier or a time barrier, maybe even both. on the other hand, audiogon's model seems pretty reasonable, you pay a fee, and buyer beware. it would be nice to have an added layer of safety, but even with audiogon, i've yet to be screwed over. a fee would give the site needed revenue, but does that change AK to a business?

i really like EWs suggestion of a donation forum for items with proceeds going to AK!
 
Echo IS one of the deep thinkers here, and I didn't thoroughly read his suggestion. It's a GREAT suggestion. I've got a bunch of stuff like that laying around, and if someone wanted it, the transaction would be good for all parties involved.

There are other great thinkers aboard, and I'm sure if these ideas get kicked around enough, solutions to the perceived problems would be equitable to all.
 
altruism

GordonW said:
And really, if you wanna talk about free- how many of you have gotten the technical know-how to fix your speakers as a result of posts I've made? That knowledge certainly wasn't free for me to learn... it's a result of over 20 years of work, and sometimes just plain trial-and-error effort. Look at my postings over the last year and a half, since I first registered here- at exactly HOW MANY of them (probably at least 50%) related to either helping someone find a part, or to some technique for repairing something that nobody else knew how to fix...
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so much for altruism! you make your participation sound like a burden. if its not fun for you dont do it.
 
Gordon, the information you have shared is much appreciated and has gone a long way to help the site be the repository of knowledge that it is...please don't be so defensive.
 
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