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Rule Change to classifieds

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Gordon, I've always enjoyed your posts AND your expertise. You're a knowledable guy and a heavy-hitter here in my opinion, but I do take exception with the one statement. You didn't charge your own kids for your expertise when you raised them did you? You didn't feel cheated because you weren't being paid for the time and effort did you?

Same goes here. You post solutions out of the kindness of your heart, and the hope that someday you'll MAYBE be repaid in kind.
 
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Gordon, I've always enjoyed your posts AND your expertise. You're a knowledable guy and a heavy-hitter here in my opinion, but I do take exception with the one statement. You didn't charge your own kids for your expertise when you raised them did you? You didn't feel cheated because you weren't being paid for the time and effort did you?

Same goes here. You post solutions out of the kindness of your heart, and the hope that someday you'll MAYBE be repaid in kind.
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Yeah, what he said! TA, you da man! And this goes for EVERYBODY. Just think what the world would be like if we all took this attitude. You know, I'm feeling a John Lennon tune coming on.......


Retro
 
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Shain, that was cruel. I'm going to go off and have a good cry now. Because of what YOU said. Don't try and stop me, it's too late for that.

OOOOHH! There goes my mascara again.
 
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As someone who has voiced his opinion on previous posts on this subject, I hesitate to pipe off again, but I will. This is obviously a sensitive subject for this forum. I think if the owners and founders review the reasons for this forum and its goals maybe the solution will be a bit easier. As someone who has been a businessman for over 35 years, a nobel idea, are sometimes the most difficult to maintain. I have recently sent off my congrats to the founders for this site, and for one, truly appreciate the effort and vision it took and takes to keep it. But I don't think fees or limits will prevent the real profiteer from doing their business. Perhaps a fee for new members and free after a certain number of posts or time. And may I suggest as part of the sign up it should be made very clear what membership is vs. just looking. This is a great forum with some wonderful exchange of information and hope it continues. I would happily pay some sort of fee to become a member. By the way thanks to everyone who has given me advise, information or tips and oh yes even equipment. Man it just does not get any better.
 
How come non members and newbies have about the same privilage as contributing members? What is the restriction can't post or view large pictures?
 
I am a relative newcomer to this site having only been around for less than a year. I have never sold anything (or bought for that matter) from the classifieds. I am a lurker here for the most part. I read every post to every thread that I am interested in. I have learned much from many of you. For that I am extremely grateful. My hope is someday I will have the experience with vintage gear that I may someday "pay it forward".

When the 100 post limit came out a few weeks ago I was saddened. This place has always had comradarie and welcomed newcomers. IF I had a piece to sell it would take me years to make 100 posts. Of course, I could always make meaningless posts to reach 100 but that would not to anyone any good.

I have read the posts in this thread and in the spirit of compromise offer this possible solution.
1. Members should have to make a donation ($25 ?) to AK before you are allowed to sell items in the classified. Newbies should donate $25 or 10 % of asking price (if item is listed at less than $250) before items are to be listed. Once the $25 (?) has been met they will not have to pay the 10% of future items during the current year.

$25 is just a starting place. The adm may want to make it higher.
Those who don't want to or can't use paypal can just send a check to AK.
Since we are well into 2005, AK may want it to be a May 1 to April 30 year as opposed to a calendar year...another possibility is to make it on the member's anniverary daye with AK.
 
......and how come there's no Brussels Sprouts Forum?????

But seriously folks- I just got back from 4 hour round trip to pick up some speaks, and I come to my favorite website and what do I see?

-People making some rather harsh value judgments.
-People getting their feelings hurt, justifiably or not.
-People whining about policy changes.
-People whining about other people whining about policy changes.

This subject is getting way too contentious for "All Audio, No Attitude."

I don't really have much of a dog in this race, because I've never sold a damned thing on AK, but I know when the laundry is getting ripe.

Obviously, as this thread clearly shows, there's no way to make every single member happy on this. I strongly suggest that the Admins define the policy clearly, publish it for all to see, and call the case closed. Then EVERYONE is subject to said policy and if you don't like it, peddle yr **** elsewhere.
 
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Gordon, I've always enjoyed your posts AND your expertise. You're a knowledable guy and a heavy-hitter here in my opinion, but I do take exception with the one statement. You didn't charge your own kids for your expertise when you raised them did you? You didn't feel cheated because you weren't being paid for the time and effort did you?

Same goes here. You post solutions out of the kindness of your heart, and the hope that someday you'll MAYBE be repaid in kind.
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There's so many threads going now on this topic it's getting tough to keep them all straight.

I don't think the knock on Gordon in another thread was justified, although I have to admit that since I don't spend a lot of time in the FS forum, I'm not up to speed on who sells what how often for how much. I do think Gordon has always been a regular and enthusiastic contributor who has taught me (and others too, I assume) a lot. As TA said, giving shouldn't have strings attached.

Bottom line, I think the various suggestions on how to deal with this are, collectively, the right approach. The last thing we want to do is throw the baby out with the bathwater. The site needs financial support, so selling, even for the members, probably shouldn't be totally free. Otoh, I don't think that a solution that burdens the mods with a boatload of tracking bookkeeping and followup, electronic or otherwise, would be a sustainable solution. Given that, I have a question for Luther...

Is it possible to set up a simple "on-line store" in vBulletin? If you could log into the "store" forum and list your items in a spreadsheet fill-in-the-box type of listing, then it would be possible to track, by our user ID, number of sales and dollars sold. If so, it would be possible to automate whatever solution is chosen by the mods, whether it's a limit on monthly/annual sales, or a required donation, or a required fee.

Or maybe I'm just complicating things. I think a required % donation to AK on all sales should be a given. Otherwise take it to eBay. However we do it, it needs to be simple for the sake of the mods' sanity!! :yes:

Clay
 
To be serious for a moment :mad:

1. There should be a fee, a flat fee for putting an item up for sale. (weather
it sells or not) Paid by Paypal, or credit card

2. There should be a fee for listing to buy items.

3. The buyer pays shipping costs.

4. No commissions to AK.

5. No dispute resolution by AK
 
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That'll be 25 cents in U.S. dollars please. 50 cents if your not reading this one as much as you didn't read the last one. When you "don't read" 100 of them please send the check for $25 to AK in my name.

All I got from you is one sentence but it told me a few things:

1. You think my posts aren't worth reading. I'm crushed.
2. You're cool because you use "cuz" instead of cause.
3. The little guy at the end of the sentence with the shades and the cigarette who didn't say ANYTHING, is smarter than you are.
 
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botrytis said:
I am sorry that you won't be able to dump your stuff for free now!!! You are dumping the gear for the company you work for, for kripes sake!!! YOU SHOULD DONATE TO AK WITH ALL THE GEAR YOU HAVE SOLD ON THIS SITE - I know I have - HAVE YOU?

Dave
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I should keep my big mouth shut. I know I'm new. I know I am not as informed about stuff as some of you guys. I know I don't have a lot of cool gear. But I do like this forum a lot. I bought a set of Wharfdale 70s on e bay for $70. I found this forum looking for information on my new find.

As soon as I posted that my speakers weren't working right, two AKers jumped in to help. One of them was Gordon W. He nailed the problem with my speakers, and it didn't cost me a dime to fix them. Why am I here several months later, now addicted to my new hobby? You do the math. (edit: the other was Thatch Ear- offered to sell me a driver for a really reasonable price- thanks again for the offer!)

I don't really know who runs AK, but I know what makes it special. Gordon W. isn't the only one, but he's a great example. Lets keep some perspective here. This looks to me to be a really cool group of folks who normally rise above this kind of personal attack. Lets try to keep it that way.

Sorry for being so outspoken,

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Toasted Almond said:
I want 25 cents every time a lurker reads one of my posts. YOU GUYS READ THAT?
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How about if I just give you 25 cents for every one of your posts that doesnt make me projectile vomit?Ill be up to a dollar in no time. :D :D :D
Jimmy
 
No there will be no cost for WTB ads.
 
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