Sansui Production

[Brudha]

Ok, hold on, I'm going to analyze those specific production lines for a few minutes for other product models......:scratch2:

 

[spaceman]

I have T_H_I_S catalogue, so for sure, that info is written there, but I really cant read it

Kale

I missed that before, but that's really interesting. :thmbsp: Can't you just fly over to Japan, & find a translator?

 

[Stene]

Ok, hold on, I'm going to analyze those specific production lines for a few minutes for other product models......:scratch2:

I can give a hint:
1. Don't forget Japanese models
2. Number of employees 2358
3. Factories: Mitaka, Shizuoka, Saitama, Nagano, Koriyama and Sukagawa

 

[Brudha]

Alright, it look like those respective lines involved in AU production during those months essentially WERE producing amps only, except for LINE 22 starting in Oct.

Here's a breakdown of the lines per month the database has captured:

Jan: 21, 82, 83
Feb: 2, 21
Mar: 2, 83
Apr: 83
May: 83
Jun: 2
Jul: 2, 58
Aug: 2, 23, 58
Sep: 2, 58
Oct: 22, 58
Nov: 22, 58
Dec: 22, 58

9999 maximum possible production units/mo/line equates to a maximum possible of roughly 230,000 for the year or maybe 20,000/mo. These are possible maximums allowed by the serial numbers assigned.

I don't know, my head is starting to hurt.............:yes:

 

[Morden2004]

Alright, it look like those respective lines involved in AU production during those months essentially WERE producing amps only, except for LINE 22 starting in Oct.

Here's a breakdown of the lines per month the database has captured:

Jan: 21, 82, 83
Feb: 2, 21
Mar: 2, 83
Apr: 83
May: 83
Jun: 2
Jul: 2, 58
Aug: 2, 23, 58
Sep: 2, 58
Oct: 22, 58
Nov: 22, 58
Dec: 22, 58

9999 maximum possible production units/mo/line equates to a maximum possible of roughly 230,000 for the year or maybe 20,000/mo. These are possible maximums allowed by the serial numbers assigned.

I don't know, my head is starting to hurt.............:yes:

See, told 'ya! :lmao:

Paul

 

[LBPete]

And that doesn't include any Japanese domestic models.

- Pete

 

[Brudha]

And that doesn't include any Japanese domestic models.

- Pete

Has there never been a single one sold here on eBay ever or doesn't Morden's query capture this info?

 

[LBPete]

The sequential serial numbering would capture production for all models produced at the same time on one of the production lines recorded in the database. It is likely that unique models destined for non-US export or for domestic distribution were produced on production lines other than the ones captured in Paul's database. That production would be completely invisible to us but would be counted in Sten's production figures.

I'm sticking to my 25,000 per month guess but wouldn't be surprised if it were 40K.

- Pete

 

[Brudha]

It is likely that unique models destined for non-US export or for domestic distribution were produced on production lines other than the ones captured in Paul's database. That production would be completely invisible to us but would be counted in Sten's production figures.

Which models are these? I thought Morden's query captured just about everything Sansui that's sold from eBay? Wouldn't at least one of those supposed hundreds of thousands of models washed up here in the last several years being sold on eBay US? If so, we could determine if it was the same lines or some totally different lines of production.

Did they use different serial numbers or something on these non-US products? Did they not use numbers per se, but their Japanese characters for serial numbers?

 

[LBPete]

Brudha, please don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to bait you. I just have a different opinion and am trying to present my case. We will know the answer soon enough when Sten gives us his data.

People tend to forget how populated Japan is. If I'm not mistaken, it's population is roughly half the size of the US population in a land mass roughly the size of California. That's a hell of a big market.

1971 was a boom time for Japan too. Japanese goods were flooding into the US and paychecks were flooding into Japanese pockets. I'm guessing, somewhere around 1/4 to 1/3 of all Sansui sales at that time were for the home market.

This market was big enough that most Japanese gear was tailored to the Japanese. Simple things like the labeling on the back of the unit in Kanji characters rather than English and fixed 100v power supplies. Did some of that gear wind up here? Of course. But I watch for this stuff on Ebay and it's genuinely rare to see it on US ebay.

I'm also sure some of this domestic stuff was unique to the domestic market and was never distributed outside of Japan. If this stuff was made on production lines other than the ones we know about, this production would not be reflected in Paul's database and may be quite substantial.

- Pete

 

[Brudha]

If "amplifiers" means ALL amplifiers made for every product and not just "amplifiers" as in power amps, the the number would go thru the roof. Just think, preamps, power amps, receivers, tape decks, integ. amps., and whatever else an amplifier would go into.

How bout a clarification for "amplifier".

The information I found just mention amplifier. I guess Power Amps and Integrated Amps. :scratch2:

Unless the article specifically stipulates the real definition of 'amplifier' or the type of models involved, the total numbers might be supsect.......

 

[Aage]

I'm sure no one of us didn't know how big Sansui were.
As you can see even the production of Speaker Systems were enormous.

Click on the pic for a cut out of the information I found of production quantities as of document date April 72.

What is this source, this document doesn't even mention Sansui.

By that I mean please name the book, or show the entire document.

Edit: in another thread, it was shown that this came from a profile of Sansui they issued in a document that talked about CD-4

 

[Morden2004]

What is this source, this document doesn't even mention Sansui.

By that I mean please name the book, or show the entire document.

Edit: in another thread, it was shown that this came from a profile of Sansui they issued in a document that talked about CD-4

Stene wouldn't make that up. He was a Sansui rep in an earlier life

To see the documents credentials visit this thread: http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=127031

Paul

 

[nosirrah]

How many...

An interesting thread, the clue of the number of employees is telling, maybe.
But that would include all, sales people, facilities, transport, warehouse..etc.
So maybe 60% would be factory workers, for all the different gear they made, speakers, tuners, etc.
Hmmmmm....
Casey:scratch2: