Should we put weights on speakers

[RobRoy]

Perhaps if you had added some mass to the subwoofer cabinet other than your television it would have amiliorated the resonance problems of your poorly designed subwoofer cabinet and you would still have your television in good working order.

You are correct. It was a $100 sub from costco. And keep in mind that it took five years (and I also learned this is a known defect in these TV's).

But my new TV is so much better and with so many features that I actually use, that if I'd known about all the differences I'd have junked the old one anyway. So it's all good.

 

[woodj]

BB is a shot size between bird shot and buck shot.
It is the next larger size to #1 bird.

 

[darkblue94]

You are correct. It was a $100 sub from costco. And keep in mind that it took five years (and I also learned this is a known defect in these TV's).

But my new TV is so much better and with so many features that I actually use, that if I'd known about all the differences I'd have junked the old one anyway. So it's all good.

Well I hope you got a better subwoofer while you were at it and that you now know better than to use a speaker cabinet as an equipment stand.

 

[elitopus]

some folks do.

http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/hug/messages/17/177349.html

I know that guy!

Those Altec 825/828 cabs are kind of flimsy for their size (especially the MDF version). I wouldn't put that much weight on them without beefing up the internal construction first.

 

[RobRoy]

Well I hope you got a better subwoofer while you were at it and that you now know better than to use a speaker cabinet as an equipment stand.

It was a makeshift arrangement when we moved to our farmhouse that just never got rectified. It was always at the bottom of the to-do list. But with the new TV I built a very nice 8' wide stand for the TV, a sampling of my records (only 400 fit) and my stereo system. The subwoofer is now behind the twin recliner. Massive improvement in both the wife satisfaction and the sound.

 

[RobRoy]

I know that guy!

Those Altec 825/828 cabs are kind of flimsy for their size (especially the MDF version). I wouldn't put that much weight on them without beefing up the internal construction first.

I had a pair of Cerwin Vega white oak cab speakers with 15" woofers that sounded pretty good but very much suffered from a very boomy box. I was going to internally brace them but they had been given to me and I decided to just sell them. I think bracing would have made a huge difference in those speakers. Just four or five dowels...

 

[darkblue94]

It was a makeshift arrangement when we moved to our farmhouse that just never got rectified. It was always at the bottom of the to-do list. But with the new TV I built a very nice 8' wide stand for the TV, a sampling of my records (only 400 fit) and my stereo system. The subwoofer is now behind the twin recliner. Massive improvement in both the wife satisfaction and the sound.

 

[toxcrusadr]

Re: What does 'BB' mean?

There is a chart of shot sizes and 'BB' is about in the middle, right between B and BBB. I'm not even kidding. Of course the whole system is a jumbled mess since it goes far back into the mists of history. The smallest (#12) is about a millimeter in diameter, and on the larger end, 'double-ought buck shot' or #00 is 8.38 mm or .330" - which is just over 30 caliber (0.3").

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shot_(pellet)

The more you know!

 

[darkblue94]

I had a pair of Cerwin Vega white oak cab speakers with 15" woofers that sounded pretty good but very much suffered from a very boomy box. I was going to internally brace them but they had been given to me and I decided to just sell them. I think bracing would have made a huge difference in those speakers. Just four or five dowels...

Maybe so but then they still would have been Cerwin Vega speakers, no? Sorry, I know better but I couldn't resist.

 

[Gibsonian]

Maybe so but then they still would have been Cerwin Vega speakers, no? Sorry, I know better but I couldn't resist.

I braced, dampened and added mass to some D9's I used to own. Great bang for the buck and time spent project. Wonderfully tight bass, it was a really good diy improvement to an already decent bass unit.

 

[Audiovet]

Your subjective parsing of my words is duly noted. Your interpretation of my words, and your pre-conceived bias suggest it would be difficult to prove anything to you outside of your belief system.

Sorry then, kind Sir - I take back my parsing of your words. You did not mean any audible effect.

(and sorry members, one rebuttal allowed I hope: I am a scientist. In science one is not allowed a belief system, at least where one's work is concerned. One deals with proof, at least as far as that is possible/measurable. That I have done in my professional experimental instrumentation work in a National Research Laboratory. As said, with due respect, the matters mentioned by Bowtie427ss have no effect on the audio chain, at least as far as its relevance to audibility is concerned. I would like to see proof to the opposite, but I am not holding my breath.

As the worthy John Curl said: 'Condemnation without investigation is prejudice'. Sorry mate; no disrespect intended, but you opened the door. I stand down from this point.)

 

[darkblue94]

I braced, dampened and added mass to some D9's I used to own. Great bang for the buck and time spent project. Wonderfully tight bass, it was a really good diy improvement to an already decent bass unit.

I was being a little bit 'naughty' there and just playfully engaging in a little brand bashing. I understand that the D9's were/are some really good speakers, I've never actually heard them myself but would love to someday.

 

[RobRoy]

Maybe so but then they still would have been Cerwin Vega speakers, no? Sorry, I know better but I couldn't resist.

Here's the funny part. The woman that gave them to me was a concert oboe player but loved to listen to heavy metal.

Every used component has a story.

 

[hifitommy]

when i put my (then) pio BS22s onto Pangea stands: (http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinf...xsMcLSe90hyHh8yt9qwKgM-UiJ5NiPVV-waAqTN8P8HAQ)

from lesser stands that i had from years ago, i immediately noticed better bass and imaging. i have not filled them because they are quite heavy to begin with. i did not try weighting them from the top so i cannot comment on that except that it seems like a worthy thing to do. seeing the xovers weighted makes sens to me as even passive electronics can benefit from vibration isolation. the stands were spiked through the carpet to the cement slab floor. now i have to get the brass discs for the spikes as i have moved to where i have stone tiles on cement slab.

 

[Audiovet]

Your subjective parsing of my words is duly noted. Your interpretation of my words, and your pre-conceived bias suggest it would be difficult to prove anything to you outside of your belief system.

Me utter pardon, Bowtie..... amd members!

this was a duplicate of a previous post, which just happens to remain behind in the PC. I tried to erase but am not able to. Kindly ignore!!

(Hope my engineering skills are better than my posting skills ...)

 

[dowto1000]

You bet cha

I know that speakers are best to be placed on metal stands, and some would even fill the stands with sand to increase their weight for added stability. I just wonder–if we put some weights (thick books, sand bags, etc.) on top of the speakers (which are already on stands), would it helps too?

Absolutely !!! Its a good idea to put weight on TOP of a speaker, but....mass load it incrementally, until there seems to be little gain per increment of mass added.

I developed the idea of using concrete - patio paving units, in 2015 and 2016. Each patio paver weighs about 16 pounds, and they sell at Home Depot for $1.70 and at Lowes for $1.87 each. Start with ten, methodically ( incrementally) loading just one speaker, and compare it to your "stock" second speaker.

Read this AA thread I have posted to:


http://www.audioasylum.com/cgi/t.mpl?f=hug&m=177386


This , in many respects, besides being totally reversible, may be better than internally bracing the box, which is an amateur do-it-yourself botch job, in most cases I see.

Mass load the entire top of the enclosure.

You will hear better inner-detail, less distortion, less imtermodulation between drivers, and the box itself. You will obtain clearer diction, and typically more defined bass. Its the most needed, and cheapest improvement to a loudspeaker, I have ever experienced. Try it, initially under $20.00, and decide for yourself. It transformed my Fulton FMI 80s, and my ALTEC Voice of the Theatre speakers, as you will see in the above-referenced thread. I hope others will benefit from this..

Jeff Medwin

 

[Djcoolray]

I saw someone cover the outside of their speakers with small square tiles. The guy said it improved mid and base. He bought the speakers, didn't like the sound so he covered them with tiles and put a mixed solution of water and elmers glue on the woofer. Then the tiles matched the floor, this was El Paso..... The speakers sounded great !

 

[Superampman]

There's another recent thread on this topic you all might find informative in the speakers forum titled 'sheet rubber between subwoofer and floor'. Someone linked a video on Townshend isolation platforms for speakers on the second page. Seems counter intuitive at first glance but ends up making sense.

 

[dowto1000]

I know that speakers are best to be placed on metal stands, and some would even fill the stands with sand to increase their weight for added stability. I just wonder–if we put some weights (thick books, sand bags, etc.) on top of the speakers (which are already on stands), would it helps too?

I know that speakers are best to be placed on metal stands, and some would even fill the stands with sand to increase their weight for added stability. I just wonder–if we put some weights (thick books, sand bags, etc.) on top of the speakers (which are already on stands), would it helps too?

I know that speakers are best to be placed on metal stands, and some would even fill the stands with sand to increase their weight for added stability. I just wonder–if we put some weights (thick books, sand bags, etc.) on top of the speakers (which are already on stands), would it helps too?

Travellersol,

I went from zero weight, to 112 pounds of weight added tonight, on a spare speaker system we have in my office, doing it in 16 pound increments, to each speaker, added, then subtracted. See the URL below, for a description, and what I hear.

http://www.audioasylum.com/cgi/t.mpl?f=hug&m=177452


Have FUN. I DO !!


Jeff Medwin

 

[Poultrygeist]

my wife's idea of mass loading