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Should you ever get involved?

Now, what would your answer have been 20 years ago? Or, have you always had an answer for life's problems with which you have not been confronted previously?

Doc
 
Reading some of the responses to this post I feel compelled to write that life has taught me not to rush to judgement with only a superficial understanding of the history and facts. People, relationships, and situations are complex. Judging is easy. Being right is much more difficult.
 
I've been confronted with situations and people like this more than once in my life (even 20 years ago...). I would do the same thing now that I would have done then. I would have trusted my first instinct. There's no way in hell that situation would have turned out well for the reasons I mentioned before..
 
I think it is pretty simple.No work to be done until the person purchases the computer. Then you are free to install it and get it running and hope that the person pays the agreed upon service fee.Why you would in effect "give" a computer to this marginal person is somewhat of a mystery.I commend your integrity in following through but it does seem like a costly mistake.
 
elgato8905 said:
I've been confronted with situations and people like this more than once in my life (even 20 years ago...). I would do the same thing now that I would have done then. I would have trusted my first instinct. There's no way in hell that situation would have turned out well for the reasons I mentioned before..
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So, you know the correct thing to do, and always trusted your first instinct.

From a previous thread (the Clink thread), you stated:

I've been a lot of times. I used to be a bit of a drug addict and basically an anarchist in general. I used to go at least twice a year.
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Just when does the instinct to do the right thing kick in?

Doc
 
Dr. Strangelove said:
So, you know the correct thing to do, and always trusted your first instinct.

From a previous thread (the Clink thread), you stated:



Just when does the instinct to do the right thing kick in?

Doc
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I don't ever remember personally walking in to jail of my own free will. Somebody always took me there against my will for reasons that I thought were wrong then and still do now. As I also said in my former (the clink thread) post... I'm not ashamed of my past nor do I feel like I did much of anything wrong to be put there. In case you didn't see it... I also stated that I wanted to stay true to myself and take the path less traveled and that's exactly what I did. I wasn't harming anyone nor was I wishing harm on anyone else. I can't help the fact that the law of this land does not agree with my ideas.

I guess it all depends on what your idea of "the right thing" is.
 
Yes, everyone else is wrong, and you are the only one right.

Heard it before from others as a way to justify their behaviour. "I do not agree with the law, so I will not abide by it."

But, you keep saying you are not ashamed. If you were not, you would not need to say it at all?

I could say that the sun is not out at 1:26am eastern time, and you would likely disagree with me, as you will find fault with anything I say and do, such is your fascination with me.

Doc
 
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I would have presented the invoice before installing anything. And If he didn't have the funds, I would have packed up and left.
 
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I would have presented the invoice before installing anything. And If he didn't have the funds, I would have packed up and left.
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Fortunately, I do not do that type of work for "friends of friends" anymore.

The one thing that I have always wondered about is "how did the kid turn out"? A lot of kids can recognize a bad environment and get out. Others stay and continue to foster more bad environments.

Doc
 
Dr. Strangelove said:
Yes, everyone else is wrong, and you are the only one right.

Heard it before from others as a way to justify their behaviour. "I do not agree with the law, so I will not abide by it."

But, you keep saying you are not ashamed. If you were not, you would not need to say it at all.

I could say that the sun is not out at 1:26am eastern time, and you would likely disagree with me, as you will find fault with anything I say and do, such is your fascination with me.

Doc
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First of all... I don't care if everyone else is wrong or right. What's wrong or right for them may not be what's wrong or right for me. As long as they are not harming anyone else what they do is there business and it's none of my concern.

Secondly... I don't need to justify my behavior to anyone unless it's directly affecting them.

Third... I will not even go into the discussion of "I do not agree with the law so I will not abide with it" due to restrictions of political topics.

Fourth... I brought up the not being ashamed thing because you digging up that old thread seemed a lot to me like some back handed way of saying that I should be ashamed of what I've done. Otherwise why would you have brought it up?

Fifth... I wouldn't call it fascination.

I'm outta here.:thmbsp:
 
Interesting to see the responses they tend to fall into one of three catagories;

1, Protect your ass and get out of there

2, Protect your money and don't hand over the computer until you get paid

3, Protect a child was living in some very dire and dangerous circumstances

I bet I know what Doc would do if he could go back 20 years

(looks like Doc mentioned as much while I was typing this)
 
Well Doc, here is what I think.

It seemed, as described, that the guy wanted a computer, but it was just a whim, he thought he should have one - after all he runs a business? This would have been something I would have checked out, you purchase a computer system to run the software you need - what software was he going to run? You don't buy a computer system and then decide what software you are going to run.

1. I would not have agreed to purchase an entire system without some form of payment up front - like half now, and the balance when it is installed.

2. The alarm bells would have been ringing for me as soon as I saw the house, my inclination would have been to retreat, and seek payment first.

3. Having entered the house, I would have again been strongly tempted to ask for payment before doing anything.

4. The inability to read the invoice would have been the killer blow of the whole deal for me.

Having got this far, with the system installed, in that house, under those circumstances - I really can't think what I would have done next.

However it is easy for me to say this - hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Just my 3 ha'pence worth
 
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I am afraid that I have to agree with Doc's actions... although it is painful, and I would have deserved to receive payment. The reason is, I have done work for people that are like the ones described. To become involved in such a situation is like trying to scrape fiberglass off of yourself with honey covered fingers. It just ends up very bad, most often.

Some families function from crisis to crisis, others plan their lives. The lesson learned is best learned quickly, and the cost, counted as cheap. Like I told my wife, your may be entirely in the right, morally and legally, stepping into a crosswalk when a semi-truck is coming at you... but the end result is still the same; you are dead!
 
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