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Snell Type K/II - Which Woofers do I Have and What Surrounds do I Need?

First spin after refoaming the woofers.

LOVE OVER GOLD - DIRE STRAITS

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WOW! now I see what all the fuss is about. What a truly great set of little speakers. The build quality is off the charts and the sound quality equally impressive (even with the non-ideal placement). I still have some cosmetic work to complete (light sanding and a few hand rubbed coats of oil on the veneer and new grill cloth), but when they are done, they will be perfect for my office system. Total investment so far: $11.69 ($12.99 - 10% senior discount) for the speakers at Goodwill plus $13 + shipping for the correct foams from Rick Cobb.

The stands they are on (another Goodwill find) are the perfect height, too. Without spikes, they are 22.5" tall. I checked the height of the stands Audio Note sells for their AN-K speakers and they are 22.7" tall. In the office, I will install the spikes, which will make the stands about 23" tall.

That is a stunning deal - especially when you Consider that the AN K/SPe is over $4,000 USD. The K/D - their entry model is around $1,900.

I just bought AN K/SPe second hand - traded cash and KEF LS-50s for them. The

Here is my K/SPe - it says a lot that these speakers have survived and continue to sell well nearly 40 years on!

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I think Peter Snell has a terrific legacy and it's a shame he died so young because it would have been great to see further creations.

I posted about my AN K in the New Gear Values forum. https://audiokarma.org/forums/index.php?threads/audio-note-k-spe.874667/

But a second hand Snell K, J or E are great buys regardless of condition because Audio Note still supports them - whether it be foam surrounds or drivers! You can't say that about most speakers from the late 70s or 80s.
 
I also have some K's that appear to have the same driver.
So they were definitely Bostons?

The KII V looks the same but has an additional magnet on the back.

Would you expect to find the same in D's?

Is there a Simply Speakers surround kit?
Thanks
 

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Get this...Last week, I was lucky enough to get a pair of K's from a neighbor for FREE! They are mint except for the surrounds. I can't believe my luck. Turns out I have the SEAS woofer. I contacted both Simply Speakers and Rick (Looneytunes2001 on Ebay). Neither of them have the exact correct surround. Peter Q at AudioNote says he does. So, considering my investment so far ($0), I sprang for the AN surrounds (much more expensive than "normal" surrounds). They are in the mail. In the mean time, I have a couple re-foaming questions:
  1. After removing the woofer, the gasket that seals the woofer to the cabinet is shot. What do folks use? The original seems like a flexible putty. I could probably reuse it but I'd like to find a suitable replacement if possible.
  2. The age old question of what adhesive to use to glue the new surround to the cone? Some say Never use PVA (white craft glue, Aileen's, etc.) because it stiffens over time. But if not that, what? (that's readily available (USA)...looking for brand names, not chemical compositions)?
Thanks in advance for any info and/or comments.
 
Get this...Last week, I was lucky enough to get a pair of K's from a neighbor for FREE! They are mint except for the surrounds. I can't believe my luck. Turns out I have the SEAS woofer. I contacted both Simply Speakers and Rick (Looneytunes2001 on Ebay). Neither of them have the exact correct surround. Peter Q at AudioNote says he does. So, considering my investment so far ($0), I sprang for the AN surrounds (much more expensive than "normal" surrounds). They are in the mail. In the mean time, I have a couple re-foaming questions:
  1. After removing the woofer, the gasket that seals the woofer to the cabinet is shot. What do folks use? The original seems like a flexible putty. I could probably reuse it but I'd like to find a suitable replacement if possible.
  2. The age old question of what adhesive to use to glue the new surround to the cone? Some say Never use PVA (white craft glue, Aileen's, etc.) because it stiffens over time. But if not that, what? (that's readily available (USA)...looking for brand names, not chemical compositions)?
Thanks in advance for any info and/or comments.


Parts Express speaker caulk

Aileens Turbo Tacky glue. Been using it for years.
 
The replacement foam surrounds from Rick Cobb (highly recommended) arrived last week. I've used Rick's foams many times, they are always a perfect fit. These are the correct filleted foams in the original black color. I bought my first set of foams from Rick as a kit, that includes a small bottle of glue and a 30Hz test tone CD. Now I just buy the foams directly from Rick. His prices are VERY affordable and his knowledge is unsurpassed. I use a bottle of Aleene's Fast Grab Tacky Glue that I picked up at a Local Michael's. With a $5 off coupon on any one item, it was practically free. I'd done about a dozen refoams with this bottle and probably have enough left for a dozen more. If you aren't doing your own refoaming, it's very affordable DIY project.

I got around to installing the replacement foam surrounds yesterday. Of course, removing the original foam and glue always takes more time and effort than installing the new foams. I'd already done this on the Boston Acoustics HD8 woofers, so I just had the Snell woofers to do. After getting them all cleaned up, I glued the foams to the cones yesterday morning before work. Using the original glue line as a guide, it was easy to center the new foams on the cones. I did all four in about 40 minutes. It takes a few minutes for the glue to get tacky enough to hold the foam in position and you have about 15 minutes to make adjustments before the glue sets up too much to easily move things around. I did them one at a time, starting with the HD8 woofers. It's probably not absolutely necessary, but I always allow the glue to cure for 8 hours before I move on to gluing the foams to the baskets. So, I let all four cure while I was at work and then glued the foams to the baskets last night after wok and let them cure overnight. Same procedure, with the addition of playing the 30Hz test tone while the glue was tacking up to make sure there was no voice coil rubbing. Again, about 10 minutes per woofer, 40 minutes total.

Here's some before and after photos (HD8 woofers on top, Snell Type KII woofers on bottom):

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Although they were all made by Boston Acoustics (less than three and a half months apart), and all take the same replacement foam surrounds, they are not the same woofers. The HD8 woofers have the square(ish) frames, while the ones from the Snells are round. The Snell woofers also have a larger voice coil and larger, heavier magnets. Since the Snells were originally hand tuned at the factory, I wrote the serial numbers on the magnets with a black Sharpie so I'd be sure to reinstall the woofers back in the correct cabinets.

Tonight I will reinstall all four and begin my listening tests.

BTW, if you've never installed replacement foam surrounds, the square frame 8" Boston Acoustics woofers would be a good place to start. With the polypropylene cones, unlike paper cones, which are more delicate, there is almost no chance of damaging a cone when removing the old foam and glue residue. With the correct foams they practically align themselves. You'd have to really try to get them off center and have any voice coil rubbing. Just use the original glue line as a guide when gluing the replacement surround to the cone. Let the glue dry and then glue the foam to the basket. The square baskets have a recess that the foams just drop to into and fit perfectly. I still played the 30Hz test tone while the glue was tacking up, just to make sure there was no rubbing, but honestly, it wasn't really necessary in this case.

More to follow...
How do I get ahold of Rick Cobb? I want to refome a pair of HD 10s
 
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