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Speakers of soviet union

JungleFever

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Hello!

I'm looking to buy a set of old speakers called "Radiotehnika S-90D" made in the 70's.
I found a video in russian language, which, i do not understand, but the guy is making some tests and he has, what looks to me like a THD test (5:07), which i don't understand either, and frequency test (6:57) and i also have no clue about that. Can some of you guys, who know all these technical data sheets give me a heads up if they're worth buying or not? (price is 160EUR without amp). I'm more interested if they can successfully produce sub bass, something like 28 to 32 Hz.

Thank you all in advance!
 
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Here are specs that I found. Translated with google from russian language.

3-way tower speaker with bass reflex
Frequency response: 25 (-14 dB) - 25000 Hz
Frequency response unevenness in the range of 100 - 8000 Hz: ± 4 dB
Sensitivity: 89 dB (0.56 Pa/√W)
Directionality at angles of 25° (±5°) in the horizontal plane and 7° (±2.5°) in the vertical plane, from frequency response, measured along the acoustic axis of the speakers:
vertical: ±3dB
horizontal: ±4 dB
Harmonic distortion speakers at a sound pressure level of 90 dB at frequencies:
250 - 1000 Hz: 2%
1000 - 2000 Hz: 1.5%
2000 - 6300 Hz: 1%
Resistance: 8 ohm Minimum impedance value: 7.6 ohms
Rated power: 35W
Limiting (passport) power: 90 W
Short-term power: 600W
Recommended household amplifier power: 20 - 90 W
Installed Speakers:
LF: 75 GDN-1-8
MF: 20 GDS-1-16
HF: 6 GDV-6-25
Dimensions (HxWxD): 710x360x285 mm
Weight: 23 kg
 
This is the bass driver used in the s90d

https://ldsound.ru/75-gdn-1-8-30-gd-2/

It says the resonant frequency is 25Hz plus or minus 5Hz.

The frequency response of the s90d is claimed to extend down to 25Hz. While this is all looking good, and it is also well known as one of the better Soviet domestic speaker systems, it also doesn't say how far down the response is at 25Hz, and I get a feeling you'd be better off with something more modern if you want to make a lot of sub bass.

Edit: I see above you found -14dB at 25Hz. In this case it is a bit more accurate to say this system is solid down to 50Hz or so. You might like them for music listening, I remember hearing them years ago and was a bit surprised how well they sounded. For 160EUR I'd say it's a definite maybe. On the one hand I'm curious, on the other it is not zero money for something like this.
 
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This is the bass driver used in the s90d

https://ldsound.ru/75-gdn-1-8-30-gd-2/

It says the resonant frequency is 25Hz plus or minus 5Hz.

The frequency response of the s90d is claimed to extend down to 25Hz. While this is all looking good, and it is also well known as one of the better Soviet domestic speaker systems, it also doesn't say how far down the response is at 25Hz, and I get a feeling you'd be better off with something more modern if you want to make a lot of sub bass.

Edit: I see above you found -14dB at 25Hz. In this case it is a bit more accurate to say this system is solid down to 50Hz or so. You might like them for music listening, I remember hearing them years ago and was a bit surprised how well they sounded. For 160EUR I'd say it's a definite maybe. On the one hand I'm curious, on the other it is not zero money for something like this.

Hey, thanks for your feedback. I already have decent 3way speakers, that goes down to solid 50Hz, just a little less powerful, than S-90D. Well, then your feeling about getting something more modern for sub bass will be the option, that I will go with. Probably going to add an active subwoofer to my stereo.

Thank you again!
 
Hey, thanks for your feedback. I already have decent 3way speakers, that goes down to solid 50Hz, just a little less powerful, than S-90D. Well, then your feeling about getting something more modern for sub bass will be the option, that I will go with. Probably going to add an active subwoofer to my stereo.

Thank you again!

That's a good idea. Very few speaker systems actually are solid down to 30Hz, particularly those which are vintage or reasonably priced.
 
A little update, if anyone is interested - ultimately i bought S-90D speakers, because i couldn't find a good sub for a friendly price, and also i wanted to have my own S90, as people are calling them legendary here in Latvia.
I think i'll hook it up to my Pioneer AZ-470 amp, and i'll see how it goes, haven't hooked them up yet, because it was a long day.
 
ultimately i bought S-90D speakers, because i couldn't find a good sub for a friendly price, and also i wanted to have my own S90, as people are calling them legendary here in Latvia.
I think i'll hook it up to my Pioneer AZ-470 amp, and i'll see how it goes, haven't hooked them up yet, because it was a long day.

I think this means you're officially one of us. Frankly I think the classic S-90D is way more interesting than a sub, and I'm curious how you like them. Plus, sub bass is actually a lot less important to the enjoyment of music than the voice of a speaker (my own sub lives in a closet under the stairs, not used for years), but this is the sort of thing you need to learn on your own, and trying different speakers will help you learn this in a very fun way.
 
It's too bad all the pictures of Soviet made audio equipment are gone from the old "Klingon Audio" thread. I wish more people would just post pictures right to AK instead of using some third party site and link to them.
There were several different speakers posted along with some well, Klingon looking equipment. :D
 
I think this means you're officially one of us. Frankly I think the classic S-90D is way more interesting than a sub, and I'm curious how you like them. Plus, sub bass is actually a lot less important to the enjoyment of music than the voice of a speaker (my own sub lives in a closet under the stairs, not used for years), but this is the sort of thing you need to learn on your own, and trying different speakers will help you learn this in a very fun way.

Hooked them up today, and well... I love them! I regret nothing, it sure was a worth purchase, even if I ended up paying 200 Eur for them (those for 160 were sold), but these has better visual, less wear.
The sound is great - it's clear, bass is warm, high frequencies are crisp and when a female vocal plays it's the ultimate sensation to my ears!!!

Those sub bass frequencies I was wondering about - I mainly listen to jungle music (for those who don't know - a predecessor of drum and bass, only produced with a lot more soul and effort put in), and some tunes have some deep bass lines, that i was not able to hear on my previous speakers, nor on any modern, common, commercial gear. So it was just silence where a groovy bass line should be. Well the S-90D's passed the test, successfully plays the bassline and I can hear the whole tune finally! I guess i was wrong about the exact frequency of the note, it just sounded really deep to me. So yea, changed my mind about the subwoofer - won't buy it - not necessary.

Hooked them up to my Pioneer AZ-470 amplifier, or perhaps it's more likely a receiver, cause it's a part of a hi-fi deck - speakers are playing good, but i have a feeling, that my amp is underpowered for S-90's, although I didn't notice any clipping, but i know that those speakers have plenty of potential left. The amp is rated 70w per channel / 8ohm. And the S-90's as we can see above are 35w, well, crap, i have no idea how the soviets are measuring power, nor do i know how pioneer is measuring their power. I guess When looking at amplifiers, i should read the S-90's as 90watt speakers. (except for soviet ones).
Anyways currently my speaker amp combo works nice, i just hope the amp isn't clipping. S-90D's has LED overload indicators - would they light up in case of an amplifier clip??
https://ldsound.ru/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/s-90d-crossover-ldsound.ru-1.jpg here is a wiring diagram - i can see those 3 LED's in the diagram, but, unfortunately, that's as far as my diagram reading skills go.

Sooo, yea - i'm very happy about them. Actually there is one thing i regret - not buying them sooner.
I don't know, maybe to some hard core audiophile they would seem like a regular pair of speakers, but well, for me, after all my cheap ass speakers, these are superb, i like them very much.

Pics coming up in the next post.
 
Do the LED's light up when the speakers are fed too many watts and the speaker distorts, or when the amp clips? I run higher powered amps with lower rated speakers all the time. I acually prefer it that way. Think more headroom.
I just don't push things to the point the speakers start to distort.
I have a couple amps that can be bridged to mono. They come out to 500wpc into 8 ohms. They can drive my main speakers rated for much less just fine. I worry more when I'm using a low powered amp with higher powered speakers. You can harm the speakers by running the amplifier into clipping. Speakers don't like being fed DC voltage. It turns the voice coils into toaster elements.
 
Do the LED's light up when the speakers are fed too many watts and the speaker distorts, or when the amp clips? I run higher powered amps with lower rated speakers all the time. I acually prefer it that way. Think more headroom.
I just don't push things to the point the speakers start to distort.
I have a couple amps that can be bridged to mono. They come out to 500wpc into 8 ohms. They can drive my main speakers rated for much less just fine. I worry more when I'm using a low powered amp with higher powered speakers. You can harm the speakers by running the amplifier into clipping. Speakers don't like being fed DC voltage. It turns the voice coils into toaster elements.

No the LED's didn't light up at any moment. I'm sure that i can not feed to many watts with my amplifier to those speakers.

Yeah, i know that more powerful amplifier is better than underpowered, but it's the only one i have, and yeah, did not notice any distortion. I read somewhere (on some russian forums) that these speakers can be powered with amps rated 50-100w per channel, may it be that they don't demand such an amperage from weaker amps by it's design?? I don't know, just guessing, i don't have much knowledge about all the technology behind audio, all i know that clipping is caused when amp is trying to provide more amperage than it is able to, so the sinus wave distorts and it sends DC to speakers.
 
First - congratulations, they are beautiful, and I am envious :)

Second - those LEDs are overload indicators for bass, midrange, and high frequencies. Do not trust them until you replace every Soviet made electrolytic capacitor (silver radial cans - they are terrible and very failure prone), but when working properly, if any LED lights on peaks, you need to turn down the volume. Also, since these speakers are old, you can't be totally sure the oveload indicators are still calibrated. If you don't replace parts and calibrate, just pretend those LEDs don't exist, it won't harm anything. Employ common sense, if it sounds bad, turn it down.

Third - Your amplifier is good, but these speakers would like a better one.. just sayin'. And with amplifiers as with speakers, specs don't tell the whole story, though they're a good guide.

Fourth - of course I know jungle music, used to hear it in clubs in the late 90s.. fun memories.

Last comment - You will probably read about all sorts of modifications to "improve" these speakers. I suggest that you shouldn't do this, just keep them as they are, and when you want better, sell them and get something better. Some people love modifying gear as a hobby, and while it is a worthy hobby, with these I would really leave them alone as they are, besides maintenance type repairs.
 
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First - congratulations, they are beautiful, and I am envious :)

Second - those LEDs are overload indicators for bass, midrange, and high frequencies. Do not trust them until you replace every Soviet made electrolytic capacitor (silver radial cans - they are terrible and very failure prone), but when working properly, if any LED lights on peaks, you need to turn down the volume. Also, since these speakers are old, you can't be totally sure the oveload indicators are still calibrated. If you don't replace parts and calibrate, just pretend those LEDs don't exist, it won't harm anything. Employ common sense, if it sounds bad, turn it down.

Third - Your amplifier is good, but these speakers would like a better one.. just sayin'. And with amplifiers as with speakers, specs don't tell the whole story, though they're a good guide.

Fourth - of course I know jungle music, used to hear it in clubs in the late 90s.. fun memories.

Last comment - You will probably read about all sorts of modifications to "improve" these speakers. I suggest that you shouldn't do this, just keep them as they are, and when you want better, sell them and get something better. Some people love modifying gear as a hobby, and while it is a worthy hobby, with these I would really leave them alone as they are, besides maintenance type repairs.
Did they use those radial cans that are threaded on one end? I recently replaced some Russian cans in a Russian made Guitar amp. The sad thing is, they were past there prime when put in the new amps. Here is a picture below. Really horrible caps.
 

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Did they use those radial cans that are threaded on one end? I recently replaced some Russian cans in a Russian made Guitar amp. The sad thing is, they were past there prime when put in the new amps. Here is a picture below. Really horrible caps.

More like this, miniature PC mount caps for SS gear, equally terrible.
 

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First - congratulations, they are beautiful, and I am envious :)

Second - those LEDs are overload indicators for bass, midrange, and high frequencies. Do not trust them until you replace every Soviet made electrolytic capacitor (silver radial cans - they are terrible and very failure prone), but when working properly, if any LED lights on peaks, you need to turn down the volume. Also, since these speakers are old, you can't be totally sure the oveload indicators are still calibrated. If you don't replace parts and calibrate, just pretend those LEDs don't exist, it won't harm anything. Employ common sense, if it sounds bad, turn it down.

Third - Your amplifier is good, but these speakers would like a better one.. just sayin'. And with amplifiers as with speakers, specs don't tell the whole story, though they're a good guide.

Fourth - of course I know jungle music, used to hear it in clubs in the late 90s.. fun memories.

Last comment - You will probably read about all sorts of modifications to "improve" these speakers. I suggest that you shouldn't do this, just keep them as they are, and when you want better, sell them and get something better. Some people love modifying gear as a hobby, and while it is a worthy hobby, with these I would really leave them alone as they are, besides maintenance type repairs.

1 - Thanks :)

2 - Okay, thanks for this advice, will pretend they're not there. I was just curious, if they would show when amplifier is clipping, according to diagram. Also not sure, if the speakers are recapped, i was overwhelmed and forgot to ask the seller.

3 - Better amplifier is next on my wishlist :D but, sadly, it will have to wait, i have to prioritize this damn house renovation.

4 - Lucky you, i wasn't even born when jungle was a thing in the clubs.

Last - Yeah, I've read about lot of upgrades, and i also have read - "Don't attempt to do something, if you have no clue what you're doing". To my ears they sound just right, so yeah, i'll leave them as they are ;)
 
1 - Thanks :)

2 - Okay, thanks for this advice, will pretend they're not there. I was just curious, if they would show when amplifier is clipping, according to diagram. Also not sure, if the speakers are recapped, i was overwhelmed and forgot to ask the seller.

3 - Better amplifier is next on my wishlist :D but, sadly, it will have to wait, i have to prioritize this damn house renovation.

4 - Lucky you, i wasn't even born when jungle was a thing in the clubs.

Last - Yeah, I've read about lot of upgrades, and i also have read - "Don't attempt to do something, if you have no clue what you're doing". To my ears they sound just right, so yeah, i'll leave them as they are ;)

2 - The LEDs will show when the safe rated power of the woofer, mid, or tweeter has been met, irrespective of if this is clean or distorted/clipped input. A clipping amplifier will quickly overload the tweeter though. These are a 1980s gimmick, really not worth too much even if working.
 
It would be a simple circuit to light up at a preset power level, which is likely what these do.

It would be a much more complex circuit to detect clipping, as it would need an unclipped signal to compare to the possibly clipped signal. McIntosh does it with their PowerGuard circuitry, but that's in the power amp, not the speaker.
 
It would be a simple circuit to light up at a preset power level, which is likely what these do.

It would be a much more complex circuit to detect clipping, as it would need an unclipped signal to compare to the possibly clipped signal. McIntosh does it with their PowerGuard circuitry, but that's in the power amp, not the speaker.
I have a Marantz power amp with clipping indicators
 
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