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Spotify Lossless?

I'm not anti hi-res. Don't label me like that. I'm anti audiophile bias BS.
And that's the peculiar thing. These discussions where someone claims to hear something always end up with a closed door and no proof.
I can't prove my own experience to you. I am just offering the blueprint for others to compare for themselves. Familiar music is the key. I have already tried the comparison sites. :thumbsdown: Have you ever tried listening to familiar songs in 24 or 16 bit after only hearing them in mp3?
 
I can't prove my own experience to you. I am just offering the blueprint for others to compare for themselves. Familiar music is the key. I have already tried the comparison sites. :thumbsdown: Have you ever tried listening to familiar songs in 24 or 16 bit after only hearing them in mp3?
Yes I have. Many times. It was 320 kbit/s MP3 and there was zero difference in all cases.
320 kbit/s OGG is even better than 320 kbit/s MP3.
 
I'm not totally convinced that I can always consciously hear the difference between Spotify and Tidal, but I think there's more to it than that. Music affects more than just our analytical conscious minds. It stimulates our emotions and feelings, not to mention the sound waves entering all parts of our bodies, not just our ears.

Something I never hear in the discussions is "how do these various versions make you feel?" Even if it's just the knowledge that you are listening to a higher resolution version, that in itself can cause you to literally enjoy it more. Our brains are interesting that way.

Just because you can't pick out differences, they are most likely there. A weird analogy is nuclear radiation. We can't consciously sense it's presence, but it can sure have an affect on us.

Hi-res digital music is so easy to access these days, if you have a halfway decent system, it seems like a no-brainer.
On the other hand, if something like Spotify's compression (which is pretty darn good) brings you the joys of music, that's really all that matters.
 
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You can for sure compare the same mastered track between services
I agree that it is important to compare the same master.
The trouble is that the provenance of tracks on streaming services is very murky; what master it is, what 'earbud optimisation' has been applied, etc. Even within a service, a lossy version and lossless version may be very different, beyond the lossy/lossless formats.
It's all a bit of a mess, really...
 
I agree that it is important to compare the same master.
The trouble is that the provenance of tracks on streaming services is very murky; what master it is, what 'earbud optimisation' has been applied, etc. Even within a service, a lossy version and lossless version may be very different, beyond the lossy/lossless formats.
It's all a bit of a mess, really...
You should indeed be sure to compare without any kind of in-app EQ, normalization or loudness applied. Then make sure to SPL match.
A track from a certain album should be the same track whether on Spotify, Tidal or Amazon and their guidance for artists mixing says they all use -14 LUFS but the volume control for playback for those services are not the same. SPL match is absolutely key. Tidal volume is louder at same steps compared to Spotify when I use a Chromecast enabled DAC/streamer. Luckily, for comparison, on both platforms you can play some test tone tracks to take that into consideration. Another way is to maximize the app volumes and control it via. streamer / pre-amp. Check with SPL meter.

You can't just switch service on-the-fly without these basic controls in place. You need to sort out the mess.. :)
 
The last guy who questioned my hearing got bit by a rattlesnake while we were clearing tall brush. He told me afterword that he'd never question it again.
 
The last guy who questioned my hearing got bit by a rattlesnake while we were clearing tall brush. He told me afterword that he'd never question it again.
And from that we can extrapolate some things that may or may not be relevant to HiFi;
you can hear sound between 60 - 100 Hz,
you were more aware of your surroundings than your buddy or
your buddy is deaf and triggered the snake with his nervous sign language asking "have you ever seen any snakes in this area?"
;)
 
And from that we can extrapolate some things that may or may not be relevant to HiFi;
you can hear sound between 60 - 100 Hz,
you were more aware of your surroundings than your buddy or
your buddy is deaf and triggered the snake with his nervous sign language asking "have you ever seen any snakes in this area?"
;)
I'll say it again. I can definitely discern between different file resolutions in my system. If someone can't or doesn't care to in theirs, I don't know what else to tell them other than just MP3 away.
 
I'll say it again. I can definitely discern between different file resolutions in my system. If you can't or don't care to in yours, I don't know what else to tell you other than just MP3 away.
If you say so. You must have much better than average hearing then. Or be a trained listener.
 
My short view of listening to Tidal and Spotify side by side is that Spotify is very focused on their market, and that market isn't audiophile. As a result a lot of modern popular music along with popular rock/pop stuff going back a bit seems to be mastered in a way to maximize what their market wants, and that's streaming to ear buds through phones in cars or some variation of those

A lot of the older classical stuff doesn't appear to be that different (Furtwangler's recordings aren't high-res anyway), but in the pop area in particular many songs on Spotify appear different to my ears

I still listen to Spotify, but now that I can stream Tidal easily through my WiiM Mini -> SMSL M500 -> my system, it's making it harder not to drop Spotify
 
Nope. Just decent hearing, 50 years in the audio hobby, no distractions, and a very good audio system.

Statistics say you must have better than average hearing. The vast majority of people haven't. And honestly, if you sit still and listen for flaws it is not as enjoyable an experience anymore. I settled with lossy as I can't hear any difference whatsoever even with headphones. I'm still not convinced you have done proper comparisons but I'll just have to take your word for it if you don't want to publish any of the test results.


 
You do you brother... apparently we are clueless....

Rock on :rockon:
Their is no way I would go back to mp3 . I knew it day one when I upgraded.

After I got Amazon back on my desktop yesterday I was in the kitchen jamming and was like hold on a second. Sure enough the settings were on mp3... I said dag blast it and got the settings back to only play the best available. But that isn't proof enough I am sure.
 
Statistics say you must have better than average hearing. The vast majority of people haven't. And honestly, if you sit still and listen for flaws it is not as enjoyable an experience anymore. I settled with lossy as I can't hear any difference whatsoever even with headphones. I'm still not convinced you have done proper comparisons but I'll just have to take your word for it if you don't want to publish any of the test results.


I think you're trying to push the wrong buttons here. If you want someone to prove what they can and can't hear, I guess they'll have to provide their individual hearing test results, or you won't believe them. If you're totally dependent on so-called scientific proof to guide you through your audio hobby journey, you're bound to get stuck in neutral and never really enjoy your individual preferences. I know someone with a PhD in Physics and minor in EE who has a system most would drool over. He tells everyone that science had no place in how he assembled it. It just gets in the way of personal enjoyment. I'm sure that there are some valid reasons why you can't tell the difference between file resolutions in your system. It's up to you to either figure out why on your own or just be content with the status quo. Refusing to believe others' experiences won't get you there.
 
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