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SX-750 recap

markthefixer said:
Integrated Circuit, won't be replaced, doesn't HAVE to be on the list, but I can deal with it being there.. :D

just transistors, diodes, electrolytic capacitors (cea, cssa, csza, ceanl, ceb), trim pots (vr1 semi-fixed)

by board (zzz-999)
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Oops, posted the list before I saw this. I'll get the electrolytic capacitors and trim pots...
 
In the meantime, should I replace the speaker relay? I know this is a part that can sometimes cause trouble. The current one works perfectly fine, I'm wondering if despite its good working order it would still be worthwhile to replace it. How much does a new one cost?
 
hmmm, we both missed this (well, not really, as this stuff started in 2009, and the list was made in 2010):
"Pioneer Recap Lists" Sticky suggestion!

and this:
(caps but no transistors, i'm working on those)
markthefixer said:
BUT like I said, a bunch are out of stock, and I will have to specify alternatives, so using this list to order would be a waste of time right now, PLUS mouser won't be shipping until next Monday at the earliest anyway. Between now and then I will update this with an all new post.

edit- that explains it, the last thread was about 1 year ago EXACTLY (11-23-2009!!)

awm-094 c1 2.2 25v csza 2.2 50 647-UKL1H2R2MDAANA
awm-094 c2 2.2 25v csza 2.2 50 647-UKL1H2R2MDAANA
awm-094 c3 10 35v cea 10 50 647-UPW1H100MDD1TD
awm-094 c5 100 35v cea 100 50 647-UPW1H101MPD
awm-094 c7 1 25v csza 1 50 647-UKL1H010KDDANA

awg-046 c1 0.47 25v cssa 0.47 50 598-DSF050J474
awg-046 c2 0.47 25v cssa 0.47 50 598-DSF050J474
awg-046 c3 100 6v cea 100 10 647-UPW1A101MDD
awg-046 c4 100 6v cea 100 10 647-UPW1A101MDD
awg-046 c7 220 35v cea 220 35 647-UPW1V221MPD
awg-046 c8 220 35v cea 220 35 647-UPW1V221MPD
awg-046 c9 4.7 25v ceanl 4.7 50 647-UKL1H4R7KDDANA
awg-046 c10 4.7 25v ceanl 4.7 50 647-UKL1H4R7KDDANA

awh-046 c1 1 25v csza 1 50 647-UKL1H010KDDANA
awh-046 c2 1 25v csza 1 50 647-UKL1H010KDDANA
awh-046 c7 220 6v cea 220 10 647-UPW1A221MED
awh-046 c8 220 6v cea 220 10 647-UPW1A221MED
awh-046 c9 100 35v cea 100 50 647-UPW1H101MPD
awh-046 c10 100 35v cea 100 50 647-UPW1H101MPD
awh-046 c13 220 6v cea 220 10 647-UPW1A221MED
awh-046 c14 220 6v cea 220 10 647-UPW1A221MED

awr-099 c1 0.22 10v cssa 0.22 50 598-DSF050J224
awr-099 c2 0.22 10v cssa 0.22 50 598-DSF050J224
awr-099 c3 330 6v cea 330 10 647-UPW1A331MPD
awr-099 c4 330 6v cea 330 10 647-UPW1A331MPD
awr-099 c5 3.3 10v cea 3.3 50 647-UPW1H3R3MDD
awr-099 c6 220 16v cea 220 35 647-UPW1V221MPD
awr-099 c7 220 16v cea 220 35 647-UPW1V221MPD
awr-099 c8 100 35v cea 100 50 647-UPW1H101MPD
awr-099 c9 100 50v cea 100 50 647-UPW1H101MPD
awr-099 c10 100 50v cea 100 50 647-UPW1H101MPD
awr-099 c11 4.7 35v cea 4.7 50 647-UPW1H4R7MDD
awr-099 c12 220 16v cea 220 35 647-UPW1V221MPD
awr-099 c13 100 35v cea 100 50 647-UPW1H101MPD
awr-099 c15 100 50v cea 100 50 647-UPW1H101MPD
awr-099 c16 100 50v cea 100 50 647-UPW1H101MPD
awr-099 c17 330 50v cea 330 50 647-UPW1H331MPD
awr-099 c18 330 50v cea 330 50 647-UPW1H331MPD

awr-100 c1 470 10v cea 470 16 647-UPW1E471MPD

awe-073 c27 0.47 50v cea 0.47 50 598-DSF050J474
awe-073 c41 100 16v cea 100 50 647-UPW1H101MPD
awe-073 c42 220 16v cea 220 35 647-UPW1V221MPD
awe-073 c45 4.7 16v csza 4.7 50 647-UKL1H4R7KDDANA
awe-073 c46 1 25v csza 1 50 647-UKL1H010KDDANA
awe-073 c47 3.3 10v csza 3.3 50 647-UKL1H3R3KDDANA
awe-073 c48 0.22 35v csza 0.22 50 598-DSF050J224
awe-073 c54 220 6v cea 220 10 647-UPW1A221MED
awe-073 c60 4.7 35v cea 4.7 50 647-UPW1H4R7MDD
awe-073 c61 47 6v cea 47 35 647-UPW1V470MED1TD
awe-073 c62 220 16v cea 220 35 647-UPW1V221MPD
awe-073 c66 0.1 35v csza 0.1 50 598-DSF050J
awe-073 c80 10 16v cea 10 50 647-UPW1H100MDD1TD
awe-073 c81 10 16v cea 10 50 647-UPW1H100MDD1TD
awe-073 c82 1 25v csza 1 50 647-UKL1H010KDDANA
awe-073 c83 1 25v csza 1 50 647-UKL1H010KDDANA
awe-073 c84 220 25v cea 220 35 647-UPW1V221MPD
awe-073 c85 220 25v cea 220 35 647-UPW1V221MPD
awe-073 c86 4.7 16v ceanlnp 4.7 50 647-UKL1H4R7KDDANA
awe-073 c88 100 6v cea 100 10 647-UPW1A101MDD
awe-073 c89 100 6v cea 100 10 647-UPW1A101MDD
awe-073 c98 2.2 25v csza 2.2 50 647-UKL1H2R2MDAANA
awe-073 c99 2.2 25v csza 2.2 50 647-UKL1H2R2MDAANA
awe-073 c102 2.2 25v csza 2.2 50 647-UKL1H2R2MDAANA
awe-073 c105 2.2 25v csza 2.2 50 647-UKL1H2R2MDAANA
awe-073 c106 220 35v cea 220 35 647-UPW1V221MPD
awe-073 c111 10 16v cea 10 50 647-UPW1H100MDD1TD

awk-065 c3 100 10v cea 100 10 647-UPW1A101MDD


BOM text block:

598-DSF050J
598-DSF050J224
598-DSF050J224
598-DSF050J224
598-DSF050J474
598-DSF050J474
598-DSF050J474
647-UKL1H010KDDANA
647-UKL1H010KDDANA
647-UKL1H010KDDANA
647-UKL1H010KDDANA
647-UKL1H010KDDANA
647-UKL1H010KDDANA
647-UKL1H2R2MDAANA
647-UKL1H2R2MDAANA
647-UKL1H2R2MDAANA
647-UKL1H2R2MDAANA
647-UKL1H2R2MDAANA
647-UKL1H2R2MDAANA
647-UPW1H3R3MDD
647-UKL1H3R3KDDANA
647-UKL1H4R7KDDANA
647-UKL1H4R7KDDANA
647-UPW1H4R7MDD
647-UKL1H4R7KDDANA
647-UPW1H4R7MDD
647-UKL1H4R7KDDANA
647-UPW1H100MDD1TD
647-UPW1H100MDD1TD
647-UPW1H100MDD1TD
647-UPW1H100MDD1TD
647-UPW1V470MED1TD
647-UPW1A101MDD
647-UPW1A101MDD
647-UPW1A101MDD
647-UPW1A101MDD
647-UPW1A101MDD
647-UPW1H101MPD
647-UPW1H101MPD
647-UPW1H101MPD
647-UPW1H101MPD
647-UPW1H101MPD
647-UPW1H101MPD
647-UPW1H101MPD
647-UPW1H101MPD
647-UPW1H101MPD
647-UPW1H101MPD
647-UPW1A221MED
647-UPW1A221MED
647-UPW1A221MED
647-UPW1A221MED
647-UPW1A221MED
647-UPW1V221MPD
647-UPW1V221MPD
647-UPW1V221MPD
647-UPW1V221MPD
647-UPW1V221MPD
647-UPW1V221MPD
647-UPW1V221MPD
647-UPW1V221MPD
647-UPW1V221MPD
647-UPW1V221MPD
647-UPW1A331MPD
647-UPW1A331MPD
647-UPW1H331MPD
647-UPW1H331MPD
647-UPW1E471MPD
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as for the semiconductor and pot section, I have to sort out a lot of things you should not touch.
 
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I have been following this tread closely here lately because I also have a SX750 that needs some TLC. I'm hoping I can do most everything myself with the exception of the re-alignment on the tuner. Don't have access to a "Distortion Meter", and as MTF said "we shouldn't touch some things". I'm not sure if my amplifier needs a refurbish job, it's working and I don't plan on "cranking it". Is there a (easy) way to find out if it needs to be worked on? Kudos to you guys who did all the work building the BOM. I have some beginner questions. What's the best sequence to recap the boards. Do you use the DBT after every board recap or do some boards (filter and muting) need to be DBT'ed in conjunction with other boards? Brand names have been mentioned in this thread but as long as I obtain the "best" component for the job does it matter who makes them? Thanks for your help.
Bob Helms
 
Best to do the power supply 1st. I do protection board, then amp(s), tone control board, preamps, and EQ boards. And YES a DBT power up is recommended after EACH BOARD to make sure you didn't add any AW SH**'s.

Electrolytic Caps age whether they are used or not. And the manufacturers have said 20 years is the life span for caps then they become unreliable. Basically they dry out and short. The larger the cap is, the longer it takes to evaporate the electrolyte. So the Filter caps are the last one's to replace. So consider this. Would you take a 1970 Z-28 out of the garage after 30 years and run it across country after just chanrging the battery and filling the tank???? I hope not! You refresh all the safety systems (brakes, front end parts, tires, change oil, trans fluid, brake fluid, PS Fluid, drain and fill the rear, etc.) before even letting it hit the road. Replacing the caps would now be analogous to changing the plugs @100,000 miles on most cars today. Think of it as a 30 year tune up.

Theoretically you can use what you want as long as they meet the noise and leakage spec. The Nichicons that Mark advocates are proven components. I've been using them for at least 4-5years now and haven't had one go or arrive bad. Mark looks at the design engineering that PIONEER did on these and actually puts parts in that are uprated from the original. This gives the parts some working headroom that the originals didn't have. PIONEER and most of the manufacturers put in parts that were in a lot of cases barely able to maintain functionality at the high operating tempo's they were working at. for instance, a lot of caps had only 1 or 2 volts working headroom (ie: 50V cap in a 48VOLT circuit). Same thing with transistors. Some of the transistors used were at the extreme edge of the envelope as far as SAFE operating area (SOA) is concerned. So the replacement parts are uprated, and operate more toward the middle of the SOA.

So when you've overhauled a PIONEER using the parts Mark lists, it'll actually work more efficiently, run cooler, and sound better as it's not straining like it was before in most cases. And chances are good that operating spec's will be a hell of a lot better. For example the 1010 I did back in 2009-10 benched 95WPC @.8% THD @ 1KHz at clipping. After I did a total recap, and transistor replacement (including new ONSEMI outputs), it did 124 @.1% THD in the LEFT Channel and 125 in the right with the same distortion at clipping. I'll bet my 737 and 939 will show proportionally close to the same results for their ratings. I DO KNOW my 434 (15wpc by factory), went to 21wpc @ .8%THD / 1KHZ / 8ohms per channel @ clipping.
The above are my personal observations and your mileage may vary.

Larry
 
Sent BOM off to Mouser. They're indicating that the Electrolytic 2.2 25V cap on the AWE-073 board that I'm trying to order (647-UKL1H2R2MDAANA) is obsolete, and unavailable. They then list a RoHS version 647-UKL1H2R2MDDANA. Does it have the right/proper specs? Need 2 for AWM-94 and 4 for AWE-073. Suggestions wanted please. Thanks.
Bob Helms
 
BobHelms said:
Sent BOM off to Mouser. They're indicating that the Electrolytic 2.2 25V cap on the AWE-073 board that I'm trying to order (647-UKL1H2R2MDAANA) is obsolete, and unavailable. They then list a RoHS version 647-UKL1H2R2MDDANA. Does it have the right/proper specs? Need 2 for AWM-94 and 4 for AWE-073. Suggestions wanted please. Thanks.
Bob Helms
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If you use the mouser compare feature you will see that the only difference appears to be the mounting. You ordered a "snap in" mounting?

Otherwise the specs indicate the ratings and size being the same.

Dave
 
Most of the suffix's have to do with lead type, mounting, and how it's packed (bulk, ammo tape, etc.) The basic cap info is the same.

RoHS version is "lead FREE" among other things that are immaterial to our purpose. It's more for gov't compliance to EPA spec more than anything else. It's also slightly more expensive in the long run (500caps @ $.02 difference average is $10.)

As long as the Value, voltage and model (UKL) is adhered to, get which ever one floats yer boat. I tend to the cheapest version but only after checking the lead type.

Larry
 
OK in that case I'll adjust things a bit and order what works. I don't see how anyone keeps all them AADDMMFF suffix's straight in their head any way. Is MTF still pondering on the Q list? Thanks.
Bob Helms
 
No need to get in any hurry on this project, Mouser has some of the power supply caps back ordered until 10/08/2013... Gives me a chance to practice up on my soldering skills.
 
Bob; We can start with the "Problem child" transistors.
And these are not necessarily in the 750 but generally in most SX-xxx from that era. They are the most common of the "problem child" type. File this in your GENERAL FUND OF KNOWN PIONEER PROBLEM PARTS Folder.

2sa725 - KSA992
2sa726 - KSA992
2sc1451 - KSC3503


This is not a problem child as I remember but has caused a few of us problems with pin layout when the wrong one ordered inadvertently.
2sa733 - KSA733 (WATCH OUT FOR THE KSA733Cxxx as the C is CENTER COLLECTOR as in ECB rather than EBC). It caught me a couple times (DAMNED LAWYER's Fine Print!) DOWNLOAD EVERY DATA SHEET FOR EACH TRANSISTOR TYPE AS YOU ORDER THEM. They ALL have the Pinout's for Each one. PIN DOWN, FLAT SIDE with WRITING TOWARD YOU, LEFT TO RIGHT!

I did a little searching on general stuff I've done that is very similar. DON'T ORDER anything until MARK VETS THIS. I'm not 100% sure on a few of them. (Mark; The one's with a (?) are the ones I'm not sure about.) I searched the transistor # in the search this Forum function, then looked for posts on units that were equal to power or higher power than the 750 then looked for the same type of board with that particular transistor. the results came from mainly Mattsd's lists for his 1980 rebuild, a 1010 list, and a 7730. All were under 3 months old.

AWK-065 Amp board; (Had a hell of a time finding this one. There are two versions of the 750 in this area. Either with IC TA7136P (Q9-Q10), or with this board. See Page 65 note at the bottom corner of the board!)
Q1-Q2 2sa725 - KSA992
Q3 2sc1313 - KSC1845
Q4 2sa726 - KSA992

AWE-073 Tuner board
Q-11 2sa725 -KSA992 (ONLY IF MARK SAYS OK. Otherwise leave alone unless causing problems. Chances are an alignment might be needed afterwards. And I don't like working on working tuners if I can help it. But the 725 has a notorious habit of breaking down at the most inopportune times.)

AWR-100 POWER SUPPLY (FUSE & DIODE BOARD)
D1-D4 1s1886 - 1n4007 (UF4007 are faster, cleaner, but not necessary. Up to you)
D5-D8 SR3AM-8 - 1n5408
(replacement Not really needed unless bad, but I put new diodes in the power supplies when I recap or re-transistor. Up to you)

AWR-099 Power supply and Protection board
Q1 2SC869: KSC1845 or KSC2383 (?) the 2383 has slightly better spec's that I can see
Q2 2SC869: KSC1845 or KSC2383 (?)
Q3 2sc945 : KSC1845 or KSC2383(?)
Q4 2sc945 : KSC1845 or KSC2383(?)
Q5 2sa733 : KSA733
Q6 2sc945 : KSC1845 or KSC2383(?)
Q7 2sc1384: KSC2690
Q8 2sd313 : MJE15032G (?) (New change??)
Q9 2sc945 : KSC1845 or KSC2383 (?)
Q10 2sd313 : MJE15032G (New Change??)
Q11 2sc945 :KSC1845 or KSC2383 (?)
Q12 2SB507: 863-MJE15033G (New Change??)

AWM-094 Filter and Muting Board
Q1-Q2 2sa733 : KSA733
Q3-4-5 2sa945: KSA1845

AWH-064 Main POWER AMP
Q1-Q2 2sa798 bcecb
test as two transistors, one at a time, sharing the emitter lead, bases are the furthest pins out, shared emitters pin in the center. I've read of using 2 KSA992's with the emitters tied together, BUT again Wait for Mark's comments on this. Hard to find original IIRC. If working leave it be.

Q3-Q4 2SC1438: 512-KSC2690AYS
Q5-Q6 2sc357 512-KSC2690AYS
Q7-Q8 2sb527 512-KSA1220AYS


END OF LIST
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Check each transistor in the unit against the manual. Mark the manual accordingly. You might have the substitute part which is comparable. In any event the new substitutes will work for either, provided I did ok with the search. AGAIN! DO NOT USE THIS LIST UNTIL MARK vets it. He's busier than a 1 legged man in an ass kicking contest, or a blind cat in a room full of grandmothers in rocking chairs. so don't expect it quick. Just something for you to chew on.

Have Fun.

Larry
 
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Not to be pushy, but when on back order, perfectly reasonable alternates are usually available.

And that's a 9 tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs :D

ALTHOUGH, mouse at a barn dance comes close too....


awe-073 Q11 2sa725 is a mic amp, so it's safe to pop in a ksa882 there...

not my most polished list:

and besides the "leave alone",
there are transistors included that really don't need replacing,
but are there in case a dead one is found and a replacement indicated.

Filters & Muting Assembly
AWM-094 Q1 2SA733-Q mute leave alone!! 512-KSA992FBU
AWM-094 Q2 2SA733-Q mute leave alone!! 512-KSA992FBU
AWM-094 Q3 2SC945-R leave alone!! 512-KSC1845FTA
AWM-094 Q4 2SC945-R leave alone!! 512-KSC1845FTA
AWM-094 Q5 2SC945-R leave alone!! 512-KSC1845FTA
AWM-094 D1 1S2473 leave alone!! 512-1n4148
AWM-094 D2 1S2473 leave alone!! 512-1n4148

Power Amplifier Assembly
AWH-046 Q1 2SA798-F dual/diff leave alone
AWH-046 Q2 2SA798-F dual/diff leave alone
AWH-046 Q3 2SC1438-V vas 512-KSC2383YTA
AWH-046 Q4 2SC1438-V vas 512-KSC2383YTA
AWH-046 Q5 2SD357-C driver 512-KSC2690AYS
AWH-046 Q6 2SD357-C driver 512-KSC2690AYS
AWH-046 Q7 2SB527-C driver 512-KSA1220AYS
AWH-046 Q8 2SB527-C driver 512-KSA1220AYS
AWH-046 D1 1S2473 512-1n4148
AWH-046 D2 1S2473 512-1n4148
AWH-046 D3 STV4H leave alone
AWH-046 D4 STV4H leave alone
AWH-046 VR1 100 ohms might not fit 652-3386H-1-101LF
AWH-046 VR2 100 ohms might not fit 652-3386H-1-101LF



Power Supply & Protection Assembly
AWR-099 Q1 2SC869-C o/c 512-KSC1845FTA
AWR-099 Q2 2SC869-C o/c 512-KSC1845FTA
AWR-099 Q3 2SC945-A dc 512-KSC1845FTA
AWR-099 Q4 2SC945-A dc 512-KSC1845FTA
AWR-099 Q5 2SA733-Q logic leave alone!! 512-KSA992FBU
AWR-099 Q6 2SC945-A dischg 512-KSC2383YTA
AWR-099 Q7 2SC1384-R relay drive 512-KSC2690AYS
AWR-099 Q8 2SD313-D pass +13 512-KSC2073TU
AWR-099 Q9 2SC945-Q dar +13 512-KSC2383YTA
AWR-099 Q10 2SD313-D pass +34 512-KSC2073TU
AWR-099 Q11 2SC945-Q dar +34 512-KSC2383YTA
AWR-099 Q12 2SB507-D pass -38 512-KSA940TU
AWR-099 D1 1S1554 512-1N4148
AWR-099 D2 1S1554 512-1N4148
AWR-099 D3 1S1554 512-1N4148
AWR-099 D4 1S1554 512-1N4148
AWR-099 D5 1S1555 512-1N4148
AWR-099 D6 1S1555 512-1N4148
AWR-099 D7 1S1555 512-1N4148
AWR-099 D8 1S1554 512-1N4148
AWR-099 D9 1S1555 512-1n4004
AWR-099 D10 WZ-140 (Zener) 512-1N5244B
AWR-099 D11 WZ-240 (Zener) 512-1N5252B
AWR-099 D12 WZ-140 (Zener) 512-1N5244B

Power Supply Assembly
AWR-100 D1 1S1885 512-1n4004
AWR-100 D2 1S1886 512-1n4004
AWR-100 D3 1S1886 512-1n4004
AWR-100 D4 1S1886 512-1n4004
AWR-100 D5 1S1886 512-1n4004
AWR-100 D6 SR3AM-8 512-1N5404
AWR-100 D7 SR3AM-8 512-1N5404
AWR-100 D8 SR3AM-8 512-1N5404
AWR-100 D9 SR3AM-8 512-1N5404

Tuner, AF & Control Assembly
AWE-073 Q2 2SC535-B mixer leave alone!!
AWE-073 Q3 2SC717 loc osc leave alone!!
AWE-073 Q11 2SA725-G mic amp 512-KSA992FBU
AWE-073 Q12 2SC1344-D mic amp 512-KSC1845FTA
AWE-073 Q13 2SA733-Q muting 512-KSA992FBU
AWE-073 D1 1S2076 leave alone!!
AWE-073 D2 1S2076 leave alone!!
AWE-073 D3 1S2076 leave alone!!
AWE-073 D4 1S2076 leave alone!!
AWE-073 D5 1S188FM-1 leave alone!!
AWE-073 D6 1S188FM-1 leave alone!!
AWE-073 D7 1S2076 leave alone!!
AWE-073 D8 1S2076 leave alone!!
AWE-073 D9 1S2076 leave alone!!
AWE-073 D10 1S2076 leave alone!!
AWE-073 D11 1S2076 leave alone!!
AWE-073 D12 WZ-192 (Zener) no 19v zener , 18 leave alone!!
AWE-073 D13 WZ-210 (Zener) no 21v zener, 24 leave alone!!
VR1 C92-048 (Semi-fixed, 47k-B) meter cal leave alone!!
VR2 ACP-055 (Semi-fixed, 4.7k-B) 76khz leave alone!!
VR3 C92-047 (Semi-fixed, 100k-B) sep leave alone!!
VR4 ACV-135 (Balance) leave alone!!
VR5 ACV-179 (Volume) leave alone!!

Amplifier Assembly
AWK-065 Q1 2SA725-G (2SA640-E) 512-KSA992FBU
AWK-065 Q2 2SA725-G (2SA640-E) 512-KSA992FBU
AWK-065 Q3 2SC1313-G 512-KSC1845FTA
AWK-065 Q4 2SA726-G (2SA640-E) 512-KSA992FBU
 
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Does "dead as a moth in a SX-750" rank any where close to "a mouse at a barn dance"? See attached picture. 'larryderouin' I'm unsure if the information on page 65 of the SM affects me or not. My unit has so much dirt/dust in it that I can hardly read any of the writing on the boards. So my first order of business is to get most of the dirt off the pieces and parts. Then I would hope that I can figure out whether I'm using AWK-065 or an IC. With all of Marks "leave them alone" comments maybe it won't matter. Then hopefully by that time I can start looking around for additional cap vendors if Mouser don't come through sooner. Thanks for all the research time you guys have spent already. BTW 'markthefixer' I've not aware of any unpolished information that came from you.
 

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Bob; Start a NEW Thread, so that you have unfettered and single unit activity. Multiple units on a thread, even one this old gets confusing for those of us doing the helping. The parts lists can be moved.

Marks "leave them alone" meaning if it's working, leave......" For the same reason i put it in mine. Unless they are bad (blown), they usually don't need replacement.

Clean it up, take pictures of both the top and bottom of the unit, with a close up of the area detailed in the manual on page 65. We'll be able to tell whether IC or Extra board. POST ON THE NEW THREAD!

Larry
 
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