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Technics Optical Sensor Circuit SL-1300Mk2

Dave Sanders

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After fighting the Optical Sensor Circuit in my SL-1300Mk2 for many days I have arrived at a solution that I believe makes the circuit much easier to adjust.

In thinking about the only portion of the NAND gate IC501 (Gate 4) to serve a logic function in the Sensor Board I tried to determine the conditions as to why the original designer wanted two valid inputs before the end-of-record function was activated. The dilemma in my thought process was that the two signals which were NAND were both the result of the Optical Sensor output. The only difference between them was how they were processed and what the resulting signals looked like. When I looked at the two signals on my scope at pins 12 and 13 both were present at the same starting time but the one on pin 12 was very short.

I did a test by pulling pin 12 HIGH and seeing if the desired output was generated at pin 11 (which it did) led me to believe that there may be no valid condition that would require both signals to be present and TRUE to generate the end-of-record function. After pulling up Pin 12 with a 12k resistor to the +12v rail assembled the table and tested all of the functions that are impacted by the activation of the Cuting Magnet circuit. The results are they all worked as they should. I am at the point where this may be the mod to the circuit that fixes my problem; it is not as elegant as finding the real problem and fixing what the original designers had in mind but it works. An additional benefit is that the circuit appears to be much easier to adjust without having both inputs to Gate 4 TRUE. It should be noted that the same result can be achieved by also changing Gate 4 to perform the Inverter function of the other 3 gates
 

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@Dave Sanders, I realize it's been almost a year since you posted this but maybe you can comment on this. I recently serviced a SL-1400 MK2 that had the common broken cuing arm issue. The auto-return function did not work. Replacing IC401 (MSM4069 Hex 1-INPUT Invert Gate) got it working again, however I noticed it was intermittent. Sometimes the arm would return at the end of the runout groove, other times not, and turning the tonearm return adjustment screw did not seem to improve things. I'm wondering if the optical sensor calibration has drifted. There's an adjustment procedure available on HFE that describes the procedure. I'm wondering how to do this. I've read you shouldn't run the table without the platen mounted, yet it has to be off to access the test points and adjustment pots. Will things work OK with the motor wiring harness disconnected?

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Doesn't seem very accurate
Poor attempt at a joke. I have no idea how it was supposed to be done or how accurate the tonearm speed needs to be make this adjustment. I imagine 5mm/sec is probably around the speed a tonearm moves while travelling in the runout groove.
 
@Dave Sanders, I realize it's been almost a year since you posted this but maybe you can comment on this. I recently serviced a SL-1400 MK2 that had the common broken cuing arm issue. The auto-return function did not work. Replacing IC401 (MSM4069 Hex 1-INPUT Invert Gate) got it working again, however I noticed it was intermittent. Sometimes the arm would return at the end of the runout groove, other times not, and turning the tonearm return adjustment screw did not seem to improve things. I'm wondering if the optical sensor calibration has drifted. There's an adjustment procedure available on HFE that describes the procedure. I'm wondering how to do this. I've read you shouldn't run the table without the platen mounted, yet it has to be off to access the test points and adjustment pots. Will things work OK with the motor wiring harness disconnected?

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Sorry but I am dealing with some medical issues and will try and ans ASAP
 
Sorry but I am dealing with some medical issues and will try and ans ASAP
No problem at all Dave. The table is currently back with it's owner at the moment as the intermittent auto-return isn't a big for him. Take care and hope all goes well for you.
 
It's been a couple of years since I replaced the broken cuing arm and tried to make adjustments afterwards. I remember briefly trying the test you posted. IIRC, since the 1400MK2 is semi-auto, manually moving the tonearm towards the spindle will not activate the motor. So, it should be ok to remove the platter and perform the test because the motor will be deactivated. Just don't press "start" while the platter is removed.
 
It's been a couple of years since I replaced the broken cuing arm and tried to make adjustments afterwards. I remember briefly trying the test you posted. IIRC, since the 1400MK2 is semi-auto, manually moving the tonearm towards the spindle will not activate the motor. So, it should be ok to remove the platter and perform the test because the motor will be deactivated. Just don't press "start" while the platter is removed.
Yes, that sounds like a good idea. The arm wont go back without the motor spinning but should be able to see the relay engage. Thanks.
 
Yes, that sounds like a good idea. The arm wont go back without the motor spinning but should be able to see the relay engage. Thanks.
and you should still be able to get a measurement from TP32 even if the motor is not spinning and platter off, as long as the TT is powered on.

The instruction also talks about adjusting the gap, if the desired waveform is out of range of the VR501 adjustment. Here's a photo I've saved regarding the gap.
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