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Technics SL-D2 vs SL-23

Synchro-bias

Synchro-bias

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Looking at maybe getting a SL-23, so i can also have a belt drive Technics. I already have a belt drive old Pioneer PL-155E. My fav turntable is my SL-5210 DD.

SL-23 is a tag lighter in weight over the SL-D2, both require some work. The ones I am looking at need a belt and speed is out, but that can be fixed, if that is the only issues:D

Is the old Pioneer going to do the job as my belt drive turntable, and I just keep the D2.:scratch2:

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Not sure what you are actually asking. The SL-D2 is a direct drive turntable. I prefer the Technics direct drive turntables if you are asking which is better. If you are looking to collect different drives, that is a different question. Being the borderline hoarder that I am, I have a couple direct drives, an idler, belt drive and a hybrid idler/belt drive. Get them all..keep them all..
 
Synchro-bias said:
Hi
Looking at maybe getting a SL-23, so i can also have a belt drive Technics. I already have a belt drive old Pioneer PL-155E. My fav turntable is my SL-5210 DD.

SL-23 is a tag lighter in weight over the SL-D2, both require some work. The ones I am looking at need a belt and speed is out, but that can be fixed, if that is the only issues:D

Is the old Pioneer going to do the job as my belt drive turntable, and I just keep the D2.:scratch2:

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If you want to collect a Technics belt-drive, the SL-23 is the best choice IMHO. It is by far the best belt-drive Technics ever produced and current prices prove this out. A mint example can approach $200 or more. It has a plinth made of MDF rather than the plastic (cheaper) TNRC materials that followed as Technics really began focusing on direct-drive for their high performance turntables. My first Turntable was an SL-23 that I purchased new in 1976. I sold it when I purchased my SL-7. I should have kept it. I now have a couple of SL-B2 turntables that were made around 1979. In the quality department, the SL-23 wins hands down.

The SL-D2 that you mention is a direct-drive. It is a very nice early direct-drive model with great specifications. I have a couple of these as well and I like them. They hold speed very well once you get it dialed in with the pitch control and the rumble is completely inaudible. The only drawback is that the plinth is made of that TNRC plastic. The next step up is the SL-Q2 which adds Quart-locked speed accuracy, no pitch control (not necessary with quartz speed reference), and an aluminum plinth. Hope this information is of use.

David
 
Technics belt drive is nowhere near as fine as their Direct Drive turntables (their specialty). The SL-D2 is a winner, an excellent performing turntable.
 
Decibel_116 said:
If you want to collect a Technics belt-drive, the SL-23 is the best choice IMHO. It is by far the best belt-drive Technics ever produced.....
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KentTeffeteller said:
Technics belt drive is nowhere near as fine as their Direct Drive turntables (their specialty). The SL-D2 is a winner, an excellent performing turntable.
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Agree with both statements. The SL-23 is indeed the best Technics belt drive I've worked on and the SL-D2 is better than any Technics belt drive. The sad part is the D2, IMO, is one of the least attractive Technics turntables out there.

Oh, well! Can't have everything!

John
 
boreas said:
the SL-D2 is better than any Technics belt drive. The sad part is the D2, IMO, is one of the least attractive Technics turntables out there.

Oh, well! Can't have everything!

John
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I sure agree on the looks. Not at all impressive looking but a fine performer. I got mine with a bunch of electronics I bought once. I set it aside for a long time but once I cleaned and lubed it, it was such a nice turntable to use that I kept it.
 
Hi David ( Decibel116)
Thank you for the information. I noticed the SL-23, had mdf, the other has some plastic material, when I drilled it if flakes off. The Sl-23, would be much better than the old Pioneer PL-155 turtnable which is belt, also made of mdf/chipboard stuff.

Hi Illini,
Thank you, you even favour the D2 over the 5210.

Hi Kent,
Thank you, the good old D2 is very good, i am lucky I got mine cheap for Australia ebay anyway. The guy had it listed in turntable parts section. It looked diry and was on a lean. I managed to fix the feet back with bigger washers and hot glue.

Hi John,
Thank you. Yes not as attractive as the 5210, but I do like the D2 silver look. It needs a good clean still. I think the SL-23 woudl be better than the Pioneer though, I cant find specs on the model anywhere. It is the
same weight as the D2.

Hi Hitman,
Thank you. I was wondering which was the preferred turntable. As for belts I think the Technics might win over the Pioneer. Ive never seen an idler drive before, will have to google that.
 
P.S. No less of a turntable than an old Technics SL-D2 made me into a fanatic of Direct Drives and Technics approach. And I still am a fanatic. So, that is a lot coming from me.
 
KentTeffeteller said:
P.S. No less of a turntable than an old Technics SL-D2 made me into a fanatic of Direct Drives and Technics approach. And I still am a fanatic. So, that is a lot coming from me.
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I sold a restored SL-D3 to my landlord about 4 years ago (the one in my Technics Dust Cover Fix thread). He hasn't evicted me yet. :)

John
 
:banana: The D2 is very good then Kent. I would say that what got me collecting Technics amps when I got my first one, a Technics SU-G50, phono on that model was very weak. The V9 is awesome on the phono and kicks even the V8 to the kerb:D Why I was thinking of ditching the Pioneer for a Technics belt drive:scratch2:

John, the D3 is one up from the D2 i assume the landlord must love it so much, should give you a discount:banana: on rent also
 
They are both good. I would give a slight competitive edge to the SL-D2, however. I have both, and the way I hear it is that the the SL-D2 is a little more precise and confident in speed. Those Technics DD's seem to be about the most trouble free TT's out there. A little deoxit on the speed control pot, and a couple drops of oil, and they are usually good to go for the next 20 years. The SL-23 is a little warmer and more laid back, but not quite as detailed and solid in feel. I have to admit that I like the look of the SL-23 a little better, but they seem to have more issues with motors, pots, and caps.
 
Synchro-bias said:
:banana: The D2 is very good then Kent. I would say that what got me collecting Technics amps when I got my first one, a Technics SU-G50, phono on that model was very weak. The V9 is awesome on the phono and kicks even the V8 to the kerb:D Why I was thinking of ditching the Pioneer for a Technics belt drive:scratch2:

John, the D3 is one up from the D2 i assume the landlord must love it so much, should give you a discount:banana: on rent also
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The only difference between the D2 and D3 is the D3 is fully automatic (vs. semi-auto) with a repeat function that will repeat (cycle) up to 6 times before stopping.

Cheers,
David
 
Synchro-bias said:
John, the D3 is one up from the D2 i assume the landlord must love it so much, should give you a discount:banana: on rent also
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In a sense, yes, but the only difference is that it's full auto and not auto return, a difference that's not really important to me and males no difference in the sound.

There was also an SL-D1 manual and an SL-D5 changer. These were all the same except for the differences in automation.

John
 
Multiplex,
Thanks. The SL-23 is not as detailed sounding as the D2, but more laid back, maybe like the Pioneer PL-155 I have, not as detailed the D2, but is fully serviced. The Sl-23 is still better than the Pioneer belt drive:scratch2: not sure to trust the cheap listing on ebay

Thanks David, so no gain apart from a few options. Auto return is all i want in a TT

Thanks John, I was just listening to the SL-5210 TT. I have a DIY cable on that and will give the D2 the same, once the silver plated copper shield arrives. I am going to try 24awg SPC wire for the conductors this time vs the 28 silver wire.
 
HTHMAN said:
Think Dual and Lenco/Bogen. I have had both and contrary to a lot of opinions, I found the Dual to have a lot less rumble.
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I wonder if Grandmas old HMV, i got when she passed on, is a belt drive or idler, as it never has had a belt replacement. I would expect it would need one. Its a HMV 8+8 stereo built in TT with 2 speakers, the turntable I think is BSR, its british made
 
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Under neath of the Pioneer PL-155E. It has no shield over the input wires, but seems well constructed. I fear buying the SL-23, as the guy on ebay says motor runs, no belt, it ends today. I used toolhaus and found he has negative feedback
 
Decibel_116 said:
Take that negative feedback seriously.
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Thanks David, I think I shall, since one of the items, he had, was a cassette deck and motor wasnt working when he claimed it was. Ebay has him at 100%:nono:, so i always check with toolhaus first. Sure the old Pioneer will be good as a belt drive in my collection.

D2, wonder if it needs oil as well. I have only Singer Oil.
 
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