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technics sl7 vs sl10 PLEASE

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blackmagic

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hello everyone

I would like to buy an sl10 but I saw sl7 cheaper and can't see big differences

both are quartz locked
both have automatic size and speed detection
both have buttons at the top
both are t4p
both have stabilizer
both are direct drive

the sl10 comes with an mc and the sl7 an mm

can anybody give me the big difference? does the sl7 made only of plastic?

another question :

does tangential players use records more rapidly than casual turntables?

on both you can put a cartridge of 6g

i want to buy a grado gold t4p but it is 5.5g,will the servomotor calculate the difference or will I have to put a 500mg pill on my cartridge?

is there less distortion towards the center of the disc compared to a casual turntable?

thank you !
 
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The SL-10 has sturdier lid design and a tab that allows cleaning a record before playing. It has a built-in defeatable moving coil cartridge preamp for the OEM Technics EPC-310 MC. Very sturdy well-built construction overall tho' most will need TLC servicing to do their best.
The SL-7 otherwise is very solid and heavier than the '10 and better looking to many folk, if that matters, tho' the lid is lighter/flimsier. This TT is still a bargain on the used market as the present going prices, the SL-10 tends to get much more, especially if it still has its OEM EPC-310 moving coil cartridge. The SL-7 tends to work more often with minimal servicing than the '10, it's main 'got-cha' is damaged/broken lid latch points from mishandling. There are still enuff of them around to get a good working one without problems with careful shopping tho' a replacement cart or stylus is usually a good idea.
Record wear shouldn't be a factor with them as long a proper T4-P compliant cart with a good stylus is used to play clean records in good condition.
Otherwise the Grado tho' 'P'-mount isn't really T4-P compliant so I wouldn't use it in either one.
 
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Pio1980 said:
The SL-10 has sturdier lid design and a tab that allows cleaning a record before playing. It has a built-in defeatable moving coil cartridge preamp for the OEM Technics EPC-310 MC. Very sturdy well-built construction overall tho' most will need TLC servicing to do their best.
The SL-7 otherwise is very solid and heavier than the '10 and better looking to many folk if that matters tho' the lid is lighter/flimsier. This TT is still a bargain on the used market as the present going prices, the SL-10 tends to get much more, especially if it still has its OEM EPC-310 moving coil cartridge. The SL-7 tends to work more often with minimal servicing than the '10, it's main 'got-cha' is damaged/broken lid latch points from mishandling. There are still enuff of them around to get a good working one without problems with careful shopping tho' a replacement cart or stylus is usually a good idea.
Record wear shouldn't be a factor with them as long a proper T4-P compliant cart with a good stylus is used to play clean records in good condition.
Otherwise the Grado tho' 'P'-mount isn't really T4-P compliant so I wouldn't use it in either one.
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all my records are already cleaned thanks to a spinclean,
and i took extreme good care of them,antistatic bag for each record +plastic sleeve for the cover...

thank you

i'm not interested in moving coil since many of these are now dry,so won't get a good sound out of it

"p mount" isn't a synonym of "t4p"???

http://www.musicdirect.com/p-7102-grado-gold-cartridge-pmount.aspx

saw a sl7 for 70€,called the guy,no answer,see the web, announcement dissapeared :-(
sl10 are crazy prices,150€ for the lowest ones
many sl7 are the same price sadly,as I don't know good websites in europe for 2nd hand turntables :-( (shipping price from U.S. is crazy so i've given up buying on the american market)

actually i've got a sl-q2 with a grado gold,which is very very fine,but tangential tonearm would be greater (?) for the last 5 minutes on an LP where you have distortion usually
 
If the cartridge on the SL-10 is the EPC-310mc and you can get it for the same price for the SL-7, then jump on the SL-10. Those cartridges by themselves (in good condition) easily sell for > $200 on eBay. However, both the SL-7 and the SL-10 are good turntables.

-D
 
blackmagic said:
all my records are already cleaned thanks to a spinclean,
and i took extreme good care of them,antistatic bag for each record +plastic sleeve for the cover...

thank you

i'm not interested in moving coil since many of these are now dry,so won't get a good sound out of it

"p mount" isn't a synonym of "t4p"???
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P mount and T4P are synonymous.

And the 'moving coil drying out' myth is just that...a myth. If the stylus has not been abused (and that's usually a safe bet with a linear-tracker), the cartridge should still be fine, unless it has developed a short in the coil (which is pretty rare).

-D
 
i can't afford an sl10

i have found another sl7 for 100€ postage included (which is an incredible [edit : HIGH] price for me),
the guy must give me news tomorrow he was ok,but must see his paypal account,yada yada yada...

and I think the sl7 have a better look,
also the cables are in the machine,less connection is better is think

I already have a grado black pmount on my mother's sl-bd20,
which was a huge improvement compared to the original cartridge,
I will see on the sl7 if the distance between t4p connectors and stylus is the same
as on the grado,if not it will ruin the grooves on my record if I put the grado on !

the sl7 have an 10-50K range,the grado gold i want have 10-60,not big
it will be find if i'm obliged to keep the technics head,

when I see youtube videos of people puting ortofon ugly t4p head
it drives me mad,the ortofon looks so short compared to the technics or grado cartridge,poor records !

anyway I hope everything will work,
then I will sell my QL2 mounted (by a pro) with grado gold,will go quickly on ebay I hope !

edit : any preference for grado cartridges here is totally not fictional,
i'm too poor for a 2m black
 
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derekva said:
P mount and T4P are synonymous.
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P-mount and T4P are not synonymous.

All T4P cartridges use the p-mount system of attaching to the tonearm. In addition, the T4P standard includes specifications for mass (6 grams), tracking force (1.25 grams), and also the geometry (for example, the length of the cartridge from the base to the stylus tip is standardized, but I can't quote the figure off the top of my head).

It is also possible to make a p-mount cartridge that does not meet the T4P standards, by weighing more or less than 6 grams, for instance. An extreme example would be the Stanton L680EL, a p-mount DJ cartridge that weighs 8.7 grams and is designed to track at around 3.5 grams. Other cartridges will be off the T4P standard by smaller amounts, and it may not be clear to those purchasing them that there is a discrepancy vs. the standard. Just because a cartridge has a p-mount plug on the back, don't assume it meets the full T4P standard.

The Grado p-mounts I own do weigh in at 6 grams; they use one set of specifications for both their p-mount and 1/2 inch mount models, and the 5.5 gram figure probably applies to the 1/2 inch mount versions. That said, they also track better at 1.5 grams instead of 1.25 grams, so they are best in p-mount turntables were the tracking force is adjustable.

I've got a Grado Silver p-mount (the earlier model, not the Silver1), and I could list a good ten p-mount cartridges that sounded better in my SL-M3 linear tracker than the Grado. Personal preferences, and performances in different linear tracking models will vary.
 
The p-mounts which aren’t T4P compatible in tracking force (that I know of) are some Ortofon models, such as the OMP series - the OMP-3E and 5E have ideal tracking forces of 1.75g, OMP-10 1.5g, and the 305, 310 & 320 track best at 1.5g. The Grado Prestige models also track at 1.5g. Finally, the Nagaoka C501M/P & C502M/P (also sold as Ed Saunders’ Red Ed P-mount, Fisher/Sanyo MG-29P, Tonar 611BE and a multitude of other brands which are basically almost identical, all made by OEM Nagaoka), track at over 1.5g.

There are probably others that aren’t as common, but these won’t be working at their ideal tracking force in non-adjustable p-mount tonearms, and so may mis-track with some louder music signals.
 
I prefer the SL7 I have to my SL10. With the 10 I could hear a faint 'thud' sound through the quiet parts on some records, caused by the motor moving. Took it apart a couple of times to try and 'fix' but I couldn't. It's still apart in a box somewhere :(

The SL7 sounds great though.
 
Sleep said:
I prefer the SL7 I have to my SL10. With the 10 I could hear a faint 'thud' sound through the quiet parts on some records, caused by the motor moving. Took it apart a couple of times to try and 'fix' but I couldn't. It's still apart in a box somewhere :(

The SL7 sounds great though.
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I think a re-capping may fix that but have yet to try it on my working SL-10, like yours my SL-7 works fine with just a clean and relube of the rail and nothing else.
 
ETI_5000 said:
The p-mounts which aren’t T4P compatible in tracking force (that I know of) are some Ortofon models, such as the OMP series - the OMP-3E and 5E have ideal tracking forces of 1.75g, OMP-10 1.5g, and the 305, 310 & 320 track best at 1.5g. The Grado Prestige models also track at 1.5g. Finally, the Nagaoka C501M/P & C502M/P (also sold as Ed Saunders’ Red Ed P-mount, Fisher/Sanyo MG-29P, Tonar 611BE and a multitude of other brands which are basically almost identical, all made by OEM Nagaoka), track at over 1.5g.

There are probably others that aren’t as common, but these won’t be working at their ideal tracking force in non-adjustable p-mount tonearms, and so may mis-track with some louder music signals.
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IIRC the Digitrac versions of the O'fon OMP were fully-T4P compliant
 
Pio1980 said:
IIRC the Digitrac versions of the O'fon OMP were fully-T4P compliant
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Yes, that's my recollection as well. I've got a Digitrac 200NE and a spare stylus put up for use on my SL-BD22, when it comes out of storage and becomes my daughter's first turntable.

Generally speaking, Shure, Stanton/Pickering, Audiotechnica, and Technics p-mount cartridges meet the T4P standards for mass & tracking weight. I've also had really good results with induced-magnet models from Empire and ADC.
 
There are specific requirements for a cartridge to be strictly T4P compliant. Not every P mount made is T4P compliant, some are adaptations of existing designs which need to be tracked at higher than T4P allowances or heavier than the standard. The Ortofon P mount moving coil and the Grado P mount are examples.
 
I phrased that wrong - what I meant was "All T4P are P-mount". Sorry for the confusion.

-D
 
SA-708 said:
The Grado p-mounts I own do weigh in at 6 grams; they use one set of specifications for both their p-mount and 1/2 inch mount models, and the 5.5 gram figure probably applies to the 1/2 inch mount versions. That said, they also track better at 1.5 grams instead of 1.25 grams, so they are best in p-mount turntables were the tracking force is adjustable.

I've got a Grado Silver p-mount (the earlier model, not the Silver1), and I could list a good ten p-mount cartridges that sounded better in my SL-M3 linear tracker than the Grado. Personal preferences, and performances in different linear tracking models will vary.
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thank you for the info

i just paid the sl7,i will test the original cartridge then the grado black on it,

there is a special screw on the sl7 to adjust tracking up to (what a surprise) 1.5g ! :-)

so the grado pmounts are ok in size for an sl7 if you took the risk to put one on an sl-m3?
 
ETI_5000 said:
There are probably others that aren’t as common, but these won’t be working at their ideal tracking force in non-adjustable p-mount tonearms, and so may mis-track with some louder music signals.
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same answer for me on my sl7 case,adjustable tracking 1,25g +/- 0.25g :-)
 
Sleep said:
I prefer the SL7 I have to my SL10. With the 10 I could hear a faint 'thud' sound through the quiet parts on some records, caused by the motor moving. Took it apart a couple of times to try and 'fix' but I couldn't. It's still apart in a box somewhere :(

The SL7 sounds great though.
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thanx for the answer,i'm happy i made the good choice obviously

as for the box,wait 10 more years and you will sold it on ebay for at least 500$ !
 
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