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What’s the “ha”? I own the second 10R to hit US soil.
Technics SP10 mkII or Denon DP-80
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What’s the “ha”? I own the second 10R to hit US soil.
I had thought about mentioning that JP owned both the SP-1000R and a SP10 MkIII as I saw some specs and plots that you had posted showing the differences of the two tables. It was right when they introduced the new SP-1000R, and I can remember which was the best but I think the new table was a slight bit better than MkIII, which is exceptional.
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tubelectron
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I see... Mine is a 3.2mm thick (measured wit a caliper), bearing the ref N° below :
This is the same reference for the SL-1200G and SL-1200GR : I checked it, since I had these two TT at home for tests.
I noticed that there's a RSG 0010 and RSG 0008 models of TT mats :
So I think that the TEFX5019 rubber mat of my SL-1200GR is probably the equivalent of the RGS 0008... I retrieve ir on the KAB website :
But no traces of the RGS 0010, though : is ist still available ? Or reissued ?
What is it ? There's not much input about installation...
T
JP
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10R - I had a few SH-10B5 plinths, wanted to run an EPA-500 arm, and I think the industrial design of the 1000R is a travesty. Round corner here, square corner there, etc. Even the placement of the speed buttons on the motor chassis gives me an eye tick.
10R is neck and neck with the MK3, though the MK3 is far, far more robustly built. Of all the 'tables here, and I think you know what they are, my primary 'table remains the MK3. To be fair part of that reason is because I've made modifications that give me -50% to +20% speed range which is really handy for some of the cartridge tests I do.
In regard to torque, one only need to read the published specs:
SP-10R 4kg. cm
SP-10MKII/2A 6kg. cm
SP-10MK3 16kg. cm
In my mind having good toque equates to better dynamics to overcome drag presented by the additional load placed on the motor from the stylus. I don't recall any white papers or any facts showing that a stylus tracking at 2 grams is any great load on a platter motor but in my head, I have this thought that it effects overall playback in some unmeasurable way. I don't have any way to prove it and most likely it is just a placebo effect, but as long as I think it helps it makes it better for me in some unmeasurable way.
Sgt Shultz
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A big part of the AR XA's magic is it's tiny motor.
What is that integrated amp underneath the DP-2000?
Better startup elapse time to speed, too. Less susceptible to any outside forces --- like DJ fingers.
Kit Carson
Active Member
Jogging my memory re torque read somewhere years ago the Japanese audio press divided tables into categories low/medium/high torque. Talking about higher end consumer and professional tables that would have different demands from users. The major mfgs like Technics, Denon, Sony etc kept abreast of each other issuing new models within months. From my experience and talking with other owners the Denon DP-75 is very adequate for home consumer use, the DP-80 would be more suited to meeting the daily rigors of broadcasting. The prior two Denon models the DP-6000 and DP-7000 are no slouches either introduced around the same time as the Technics SP-10Mk2 with the same professional and higher end consumer market in mind.
One of my turntables is a Well Tempered Classic and I would trade it towards an SP-10Mk2 in a heartbeat.
KentTeffeteller
Gimpus Stereophilus!
Works for you, so totally does not work for me, or for my needs. Enjoy yours. But please don't call it studio, reference, or workhorse standard. Ask anybody who cuts records for a living what they use even at home, you'd be surprised at what they use. And they hear master tapes all day long.
I think you misunderstood me, or confused me with another member. I would never call the WT any of those things. It’s overrated. I’d much rather have a Technics. The comparison between the two is shop class vs precision.
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cafe latte
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Kuzma tested a turntable with a 50kg air bearing platter.getting it up to speed and removing the belt the platter due to the low friction air bearing took over 30 hours to stop spinning. Experiment repeated but this time the stylus was lowered on a record and the platter stopped spinning in a few minutes.
Chris
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I did some research on the WTL due to some boastful claims here. I didn't find a foundation for those claims, but did think some of the value-engineering was ingenious for what it was.
How so? I had an XB for quite a while and it was a mighty fine deck.