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The Final Chapter Kill EMI

EMI would like to know why the angst?

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The Sex Pistols had angst about EMI, but it's not entirely clear:

"It's an unlimited supply
And there is no reason why
I tell you, it was all a frame
They only did it 'cause of fame
Who?

[Chorus]
EMI
EMI
EMI


[Verse 2]
Too many people had the suss
Too many people support us

An unlimited amount
Too many outlets in and out
Who?

[Chorus]
EMI
EMI
EMI


[Bridge]
And sir and friends are crucified
A day they wished that we had died
We are an addition
We are ruled by none
Ever, ever, ever
"



 
They have to otherwise you get losses. Heat. You don't want that. Those are the reservoir capacitors. The EMC capacitors are in a seperate part of the PSU. Sometimes they are not installed. EMI-wise that is bad.

@motorstereo: Will look up your tester. It sez "mV" but there are many sorts of millivolts. And how it manifests itself.

The AM portable test you can do yourself. Unless you have no radios of course.

Edit: looked up the manual (below) and your value is actually in mVpp. That is unusual, I'd expect an RMS value. Maybe that was easier for them to indicate. And all the noise is measured above 10 kHz so none of it you can actually hear. I don't believe it complies with any EMC standard. The manual is mum about those.
Peak to peak (pp) is generally a multiple of RMS, therefore you get a higher number, likely marketing. RMS is a better indication of the amount of power it has.
 
Well I finally have reached the point that I'm very happy with every piece of equipment in my system. The last little bit was some tube rolling in the DAC, to get that synergy between it and a new network transport.

So what's left EMI? It does exist, and it's measurable. Does it matter? I guess there's no way to know unless you remove it.

Power conditioners, This Could be the least data-driven category in all of audio. No real compatible data, Just lipstick and perfume. So I changed my search to " Scientific equipment EMI filter". What I found was a collection of filters with specs.

This one looked like a good candidate. Any thoughts?

EMI, Electro-Magnetic Interference, isn’t measurable on a wire / power line, it is by definition electromagnetic which is measured by an antenna. It can influence wires (as antennas), but unless it is a VERY STRONG electromagnetic emission (such as near large electric motors, power-lines with nasty dirty loads/power, etc.) it will not have a significant influence on a device (eg: audio equipment) that runs on DC from an internally regulated, filtered, rectified power supply including a transformer, unless the equipment is truly a dismal piece of garbage or has serious filter capacitor problems (or you live inside a power-plant). It also would need to be at or at least near the audio range to be significant, even after the power supply. Rest assured, unless you’re buying a really cheap POS the Engineers have designed the power supply to filter out noise at any normal level.

The FCC regulates EMI & EME. A device, whether it’s a wall-wart, an inverter or radar devices (which my company makes), … it can not emit electromagnetic energy sufficient to cause interference in nearby devices. Further, to comply with the FCC these devices must be able to reject a reasonable amount of electromagnetic interference without it affecting its performance. Your amplifier, tuner, preamp, streamer, … also are designed to A) not emit high levels of electromagnetic energy, and B) operate normally with a normal level of electromagnetic energy.

So you live under HV power lines and run a high-HP motor in your audio room with a dirty modified-sine-wave inverter powering your equipment? Buy a quality ferroresonant power conditioner, and build a faraday-cage around your audio equipment, your only real hope.

Any device that is advertised to reduce or eliminate EMI by filtering your power on your outlets is pure bunk by definition of what EMI is. At best it can filter surges and noise on the power line, which is not EMI. But again, if your equipment is well built it already does that to a degree that 99.9% of people plugged into normal grid power will need, 99.9% of their day. There are exceptions but it is not common.

So how does a meter plugged into a power line determine that noise on the line is produced by EMI? It can’t. It is probably merely measuring/indicating any deviation from a perfect sine-wave of 120VAC RMS (which is 340V p-p) and inflating it by using a peak-peak display of that voltage. Use an RMS calculation https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/tools/rms-voltage-calculator/ to determine what that AC voltage really is, compare it to the 120V RMS line and realize that this is exactly what your equipment’s power supply is designed to filter. Unless you’re one of those .1% people who actually need it (or just enjoy buying additional gear) it is redundant.
 
It's even worse. The EMI meter only measures differential mode. Since the lines are parallel most EMI is common mode. But this meter cannot measure that. Properly filtered equipment (indeed not some cheapo PoS) will introduce minimal EMI. Whether common or differential.
 
Oh and a quick calculation, the “meter” showing 329mV p-p on a power line that is ~340V (or 340,000mV) p-p is less than .1% before even going into your gear’s power supply, … I sure hope it is able to filter that minuscule amount!!
 
Oh and a quick calculation, the “meter” showing 329mV p-p on a power line that is ~340V (or 340,000mV) p-p is less than .1% before even going into your gear’s power supply, … I sure hope it is able to filter that minuscule amount!!

From an earlier post of mine.
I couldn't hear a difference in sound on my rig while reducing emi from well over 1,000 to single digits
 
I bought LED lights to replace the florescent lights in my garage. I was tired of them being dim or not turning on at all during the cold upstate NY winters.
So I replaced the fixtures and I got some sort of cheap Chinese things that screwed in like an incandescent light bulb, a big central body with four LED-covered "petals" that folded down.
They were as bright as the sun!! It looked like someone was arc welding. Problem solved.

BUT...they blared out so much RF noise that they would totally swamp the tuner in my garage receiver and the radio in my car.
 
Quite a few older garage door openers won’t work properly with LED lights in them. The light interferes with the signal from the remote transmitter.
The solution is to use an incandescent bulb.
I’ve got one LED can light that puts a terrible buzz into the reception of any FM radio within 20 ft of it. Don’t know if it’s defective or by bad design but I put it in the shower light where it doesn’t matter.
I’d be curious to know if the line is being polluted or if it’s only airborne.
Probably both.
 
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