But to your point on talking about it, it’s the same with everything on here, receivers vs separates, vintage vs new, horns vs no horns...
Not sure what your point was
Really? I thought my point was fairly obvious.
Tone Controls?
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Really? I thought my point was fairly obvious.
Rig and room dependent here. My Mcintosh C33 preamp is just what doctor ordered to tame my khorns.....does anyone here run their khorns flat
?? But on my other 2 rigs there are no tone controls to fuss with and I don't feel the need for them.
?? But on my other 2 rigs there are no tone controls to fuss with and I don't feel the need for them.
just dave
vintage rules!
Tom Brennan sounds better face down.That guy was Mister Negative.To paraphrase our seldom seen AK sage Tom Brennan.
Speaker position is critical to obtaining good sound. HPM 100 sound best positioned face down on the floor.
He may be onto something there.
Cheers
Mister Pig
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just dave
vintage rules!
I still do.People in the 70s loved playing with knobs!
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A widespread “argument”, after that a sound, being transformed into the electrical signal in the microphone, having passed through microphone amplifiers (and for low level sound sources, also through a microphone transformer), then through line amplifiers, audio mixing consoles with their stereo panorama controls, phase shifters et stereo balance controls, filters (high-pass, low-pass, “presence”, “voice filters” etc.), studio equalizers, dozens of DACs and ADCs elements, then through electromagnetic transformers in tape recorder heads, electrical frequency response correction circuits in recording amps, then through electromagnetic transformers in tape recorder heads, electrical frequency response correction circuits in playback amps, then, in the case of vinyl records, through correction circuits forming the standard cutting characteristic for cutter heads, through transformation of the electrical signal into mechanical groove form by the cutter, then the reverse transformation of the mechanical groove form into modulation of the magnetic field by the stylus and the cantilever, then into electrical signal by the cartridge (after a MC type cartridge, also through a step-up transformer), the reverse correction circuits forming the standard playback characteristic for cartridges, then again elements and elements of DACs and ADCs, emphasizers and de-emphasizers…
But, after all this, adding a tone control or an equalizer by a listener is a “breach” in “short signal path”?!.. Oh, Boy!
Auto Analog
Justin Credible
We all need to peace out on the tone controls I think!
Agreed, and an appropriate tone of discussion must be dialed-in, or the thread will fall flat.
the skipper
Professional Curmudgeon
His point was, he likes to tell people he keeps his temple "pure and clean" whenever he gets the chance, like the people who tell you they don't own a tv.But to your point on talking about it, it’s the same with everything on here, receivers vs separates, vintage vs new, horns vs no horns...
Not sure what your point was
I liked him just the same..
SoCal Sam
Lunatic Member
Live, real time sound is by definition the reference. If you accept this, few to none of the devices you mention are in the signal path. Why should I accept any of them when my preference is for sound as close as possible to the reference? For me, the answer is as little as possible. Your list is lengthy (pun intended). Some of that is necessary to time shift. Some of that is dictated by venue, that is the recording location has some problem that needs compensation. Some of that is driven by commercial imperative such that the track needs to play on crappy car stereo speakers and earbuds. How much of this can be eliminated with proper setup and line level balance? If you have ever noticed a bad recording and wondered how much more you would enjoy the track if this was not the case, you would understand my point of view.
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Won't touch 'em. And I don't need 'em.
But one thing I've noticed is that over the years, the higher I've moved up the equipment chain, the less I needed them. When I had a preamp with tone controls, I found I rarely used them anyways--things never sounded right to me with tone controls engaged, unless the attached equipment was crap. Graphic EQs throw all sorts of phase and response anomalies into a system, so, I avoid them like the plague. Parametrics are what many studios use, and I would go that route if I needed one, but only as a total last resort. Digital EQ and DSP? Too many digital artifacts for me--once I heard them, they cannot be unheard. My room does have issues, but those need to be cured with room treatments, speaker placement, and moving/changing the listening position first. (You can also guess I'm against "room correction," as all it does is fix the music in one single spot in the room, while throwing all other listening positions out of whack.)
Just my two cents worth and as always, your mileage may vary. (If it rocks someone else's world, that's fine by me!
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ROFLMFAO
Thanks, I needed a good laugh, really, I had a hard time stopping to read it to my lady.
imral3
Enjoy the musics!!
I do what I can!
