Tonearm damper fluid viscosity?

waveydavey

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Hi,
Off to the hobby shop to buy silicon fluid for my tonearm damper.
Any consensus on the viscosity?
Cheers, Dave.
 
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You need to be more specific, my Aussie friend.
Is this for an external, possibly home-made damper, a uni-pivot arm, a cue mechanism....?
 
Ok....yes I should elaborate shouldn't i?

It's for an Audio Technica AT1100 tonearm, paddle in trough damper design.
 
We used to experiment with those things. The size and shape of the paddle determines what viscosity fluid to use. I do not think that a hobby shop would have what you need.
Anything from there would be thick as honey or molasses. The stuff we used was nothing more than high-viscosity oil. Anything thicker, and the paddle would freeze in place.
 
Yes, go to your hobby shop and get silicone oil with weights of 50,000 or 60,000. KAB uses 60,000 for their damper on the Technics SL-1200 MKII turntables. I'm using 50,000 in my SME 3009 fluid damper. SME used 200,000 originally! Start with the 50K, there are so many different silicone thicknesses you can experiment with. The fluid damping really makes your cartridge come alive!
 
As mentioned, paddle size should match compliance of stylus.

I am using 200,000 which was provided with my SME fluid damper kit. It works great. Very thick, I suspect 100,000 is also good.
 
How many of you played around with home-made dampers from plans in an audio magazine?

I'm using the general idea from an article by Bob Graham from the Boston Audio Society.

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The paddles (one vertical, one horizontal, made from cutup credit card pieces) are both sized around 2x2.5mm. They're attached via a large paperclip that I straightened, then curved around a Sharpie marker with needle nose pliers until the curve was smaller than what is required to fit over the aux weight of my Pioneer PL-630. It's a firm force fit.

To form the trough, I used Sculpey brand sculpt and bake polymer clay.

I rolled out a 4" long, 1/2" diameter log of clay. I bent the needed curve into it then dug the clay out of the center with a small round loop tool. Next, I placed the rough formed log of clay into my toaster oven and baked it per the directions on the clay packaging. Finally, I used my Dremel to thin out the walls, enlarging the actual oil trough area as much as possible, then flattening the outer walls.

The oil in the trough is Team Associated (Radio Controlled car company) 60,000cst.

It's been in use about a year now and it's still working great. There is no amount of off-center pressing or warped vinyl that will disturb the monstrous tracking ability. The bass is a bit better behaved and the stereo image sounds a bit tighter and focused when the paddles are deployed. I'm able to run the highest compliance cartridges I've been able to get my hands on with incredible performance and no issues at all (on what's, at best, a medium mass tonearm) ATML150OCC, AT15SS, AT150MLX, etc.

I'm really pleased and building it was a fun way to spend a Saturday.
 
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As mentioned, paddle size should match compliance of stylus.

I am using 200,000 which was provided with my SME fluid damper kit. It works great. Very thick, I suspect 100,000 is also good.

Thanks all,
How is paddle size matched to compliance? If the paddle size is fixed, do i need to find a cart with a suitable compliance? And wouldn't different viscosities of fluid also affect compliance?
Excuse my ignorance but still trying to get my head around this whole deal.
 
Thanks all,
How is paddle size matched to compliance? If the paddle size is fixed, do i need to find a cart with a suitable compliance? And wouldn't different viscosities of fluid also affect compliance?
Excuse my ignorance but still trying to get my head around this whole deal.

Try to start with a rather low viscosity, as this will always work better than no fluid damping at all. Too high viscosity will not work as the forces to move the paddle in the fluid will be too high for the needle suspension.

The forces on the paddle is in principle depending on the paddle´s velocity in the fluid, the area of the paddle in the fluid and the fluid´s viscosity.
Try to find a combination of these, with the specific stylus and arm, so that the arm is not too difficult to move, especially by warps.
 
Yes, just been looking at the Audio Origami silicon kit which by description seems to be quite low viscosity but not specified.
Does anyone have an idea what weight this might be?
 
For those interested, here is a link to the pdf of the January 1975 (not 1995 as enjoythemusic has it) issue of the BAS Speaker that contains the Bob Graham article and sketch.

Lots of other interesting stuff in that issue.
 
Think tt viscosity is around 250,000+ vs hobby shop stuff which is about 20% of that. Problem would be if you spend time and effort in repair, lighter silicone would not stand up, then you'd have to do it again. TT silicone is available online.
 
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