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Too Many Notes?

Bill Ashton said:
I have to agree with the OP, with my interest now turning to old time/bluegrass, I am put off by those that have
to squeeze many notes in, especially if don't really follow the melody. I like Chris Jones ( of Chris Jones and the Nightriders),
who may play the intro, then maybe 4 bars of a solo, leaves the next four bars to another player, and then moves on :thumbsup:
Brian Sutton is another one who sticks pretty close to the melody of a tune...
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Uh, Bill, Bluegrass pickers are some of the FASTEST pickers on the planet ... geetar, mandolin, lap- pedal-steel and (bowing) fiddles! Have you listened to Bill Monroe, Flatt & Scruggs, et al?
 
coonmanx said:
Noodling yes. Complexity yes. The guitar is such an expressive instrument. Also a battle between a sax and a guitar. And then a final buildup and outright jam.
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The battles b/w Vai and FRANK Zappa @ the 1981 Tour on the number "Stevie's Spanking" blow away all that followed.
 
The there's strict temp ala the incomparable Richard Thompson, does it all on this album ... even FLAT-PICKING geetar and strumming/picking banjo....

 
... or Thompson's more usual fare, @ which the mixture of open-tuned arpeggios and single-line runs (w/ fingers, no pick) combine into a brilliant panoply of tempos slow, mid temp, fast, faster, blinding...


P.S. No overdubs, all 3-4 geetars are in fact a single instrument held by the Hands Of Greatness. I have witnessed, in person, RT playing this number quite alone not accompanied by even a second player. The number "Calvary Cross", performed live, has a similar impact:

 
And there is, IMO, room for SHREDDERS, particularly in the Metal Genre. I love the twin-lead back-and-forth of Slayer's Kerry King and Jeff Hanneman (RIP), especially in live performancecs. Here they are @ Donington Castle, England, in 1992, performing "Dead Skin Mask":


Lotta notes ... and definitely (for me) not too many notes, not the way Kerry and Jeff bring em on.
 
I like other tempos too, including deceptively up-tempo ragtime-style Gospel of Rev. Gary Davis ...

 
Mystic said:
And there is, IMO, room for SHREDDERS, particularly in the Metal Genre. I love the twin-lead back-and-forth of Slayer's Kerry King and Jeff Hanneman (RIP), especially in live performancecs. Here they are @ Donington Castle, England, in 1992, performing "Dead Skin Mask":


Lotta notes ... and definitely (for me) not too many notes, not the way Kerry and Jeff bring em on.
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This is the kind of stuff I call noise- not my style at all, but that's just me ;)
 
krautmaster said:
This is the kind of stuff I call noise- not my style at all, but that's just me ;)
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It be noisy I likey. Other Metal shredders I do not like --- you mentioned a few @ the OP and I'm in full agreement, but Hanneman and King, I dig their lick-traading.

P.S. I particularly loathe "Wingnut" Malmsteen and cannot stand Bonomassa .. worst-ever (so-called) "Blues Man" ... IMO.
 
Mystic said:
It be noisy I likey. Other Metal shredders I do not like --- you mentioned a few @ the OP and I'm in full agreement, but Hanneman and King, I dig their lick-traading.

P.S. I particularly loathe "Wingnut" Malmsteen and cannot stand Bonomassa .. worst-ever (so-called) "Blues Man" ... IMO.
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Gotta love Slayer. And also, though he didn't like being considered a metal guy, Brent Hinds was a helluva player, particularly (for me) on Mastodon's first couple of records. So RIP, Brent, you really brought some stuff to the table.

That Rosetta Tharpe is fantastic, hey? I remember her a bit, but this is just great.

I've always thought Eddie Van Halen's solo in Hot for Teacher was a special plateau for (early?) shredding...the blues influences are dialled down, he's making his own melodies now, and although it's lengthy, it seems about perfect for the song. And it's a bunch of notes in the middle of a fun song, so it breaks it up nicely: you don't get tired of the verses or choruses and you don't get tired of the guitar notes.
To me this thread is about the people who have no sense of that...boring people with too many notes, but also with not enough.

Eddie and Brent could both be guilty of too many notes, but sometimes...wow.
Loving the "country bros" description...think I'm just gonna call it "Bro Country' from now on. Kinda surprised they don't call themselves that, actually.

And if I had to pick something I don't like, it's live Grateful Dead solos..they're too long and boring. And I like long and boring. But not them. Sometimes Frank did it too, although he could also be so goddamned funny it was easy to forgive (blasphemy, I know)
 
McFork said:
And if I had to pick something I don't like, it's live Grateful Dead solos..they're too long and boring. And I like long and boring. But not them. Sometimes Frank did it too, although he could also be so goddamned funny it was easy to forgive (blasphemy, I know)
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While I agree to some extent, what I will hand to Garcia was his excellent "ear" for key development and his ability to turn on a dime in improvisational maneuvers. Sadly, though, many of the band's numbers, at their core/basic, were sorta boring, uninspired, predictably pastoral and derivative of already overdone genres ... C&W, Blues, Early R&R ... and not in new ways. But, every now and then they'd throw down something good on stage and it'd just click, even if for only a single bar (or less).

P.S. There's LOTS more of Sister Rosetta Tharpe out in the ether, go listen to her and have fun!
 
Mystic said:
... or Thompson's more usual fare, @ which the mixture of open-tuned arpeggios and single-line runs (w/ fingers, no pick) combine into a brilliant panoply of tempos slow, mid temp, fast, faster, blinding...


P.S. No overdubs, all 3-4 geetars are in fact a single instrument held by the Hands Of Greatness. I have witnessed, in person, RT playing this number quite alone not accompanied by even a second player. The number "Calvary Cross", performed live, has a similar impact:

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I was at the “Doom & Gloom” rendition of Calvary Cross, recorded at The Bottom Line in NYC. Richard just crushed it.
 
RT Fan said:
I was at the “Doom & Gloom” rendition of Calvary Cross, recorded at The Bottom Line in NYC. Richard just crushed it.
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Is it the November 1975 performance?

It's about 14 minutes long, this one.

Yeah, definitely the PERFECT NUMBER of notes... IT enters the room @ the 7 minutes 8 seconds point and drives like a ramjet until around 10 minutes 32 seconds ... after which he slowly brings it all down.

 
Mahogany Rush. I remember when these guys were playing local high schools. I think Frank was shredding before anybody even used that expression. And Paul (bass) used to advertise bass lessons in the Montreal Gazette :rflmao:

 
arts said:
Mahogany Rush. I remember when these guys were playing local high schools. I think Frank was shredding before anybody even used that expression. And Paul (bass) used to advertise bass lessons in the Montreal Gazette :rflmao:

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Marino, on certain occasions, hit 'em outta da park ... but chief complaint re: Marino was his Hendrix-clone material ... that got very old very quickly, even for we youths @ The Seventies.
 
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