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Top vintage Sansui speakers ?

So I do not own a "vintage" pair of Sansui speakers and I feel like Im missing out on something. I have read positive comments on a lot of different
Sansui's, from what I remember reading about the following were highly regarded among Sansui likers or lovers.
SP200 & SP300
SP1700
SP2000
SP2500
If you have any comments about choice Sansui's please share your knowledge and opinion, especially everything Im not enlightened to, and I thank you.
 
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My first piece of audio gear was in 1985 I was 14 and bought a Sansui 9090 still have it Sansui made some great Receivers, Amps, pre-amps, tunners same with Pioneer but damn their speakers sucked. Out of the big four Sansui,Marantz,Yamaha,Pioneer. Yamaha made the best speakers by far unless you include TAD. I collect vintage gear Sansui being my favorite but I would never own a pair of their speakers. Listen to some and you will never buy them.
Hmmmm, I wasnt expecting that but it was what I wanted to hear. I never heard that about Yammies. Ive got a lot of gear too but behind the curve in general vintage audio knowledge. It is something I have great interest in. Thanks for your thoughts
 
I have a pair of SP-2000’s and while I don’t think they totally suck, they are nothing special. IMO, I have always felt that the major Japanese players all just made mediocre speakers. A lot of people I know bought a dedicated Pioneer, Sansui, Marantz system etc. and then pair it up with a set of speakers from a dedicated speaker maker.
 
I have a pair of SP-2000 and agree with the above comments. While nothing special I find they still sound ok and I suppose most people would find nothing bad to say about them. They are a bit bass shy but will play quite loud as they are pretty efficient. The main reason I bought mine is the cabinetry is wonderful. Nice walnut veneer and the lattice grills are very nice. Real nice vintage vibe. I paid $100 for mine and I don’t feel like I over paid at all.
 
This thread has been done several times already, check the Sansui forum. We all have our ideas about what's best and why, but loving sansui speakers is in the same category as defending disco as a legitimate art form, around here. The commonly employed pejorative term is "kabuki", you will see it repeated many times in these threads. I am amongst the crazy folk who like them, and am in possession of TWO sets of SP-X11000 speakers, one set of SP-3005, and one of SP-10. Some of the models which get slightly more respect than Rodney Dangerfield include

SP-5000
SP-L700
SP-5500

And the massive SP-X11000 is from time to time appreciated
 
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Hmmmm, I wasnt expecting that but it was what I wanted to hear. I never heard that about Yammies. Ive got a lot of gear too but behind the curve in general vintage audio knowledge. It is something I have great interest in. Thanks for your thoughts
I would take SPCdesigns advice. Every Sansui speaker I've ever heard in 50+ years with this hobby was mediocre at best. Although I'm not all that fond of the Pioneer HPM series they are IMO better than any Sansui speaker.
 
I spent 35 years in the HiFi biz ending in 2011. During that time, of all the equipment reps I ever met and all the frontline sales people I ever had contact with, not one of them owned a pair of Japanese speakers. For the most part, they either had British or North American speakers.

Anecdotally, the belief of people in the trade was that nice electronics came from Japan but good sounding speakers came from elsewhere.
 
So far the evidence seems to be favoring one side and not the other. As I say this, I hope I can get a broad sampling of opinions. Perspective can be surprising and interesting.
 
Sansui made three excellent speakers: SP-L700, SP-L800 and SP-L900 (SP-G200, SP-G300 and SP-G500 in Japan). SP-L700 was upgraded as SP-L750 with a super tweeter. They all sounded like JBLs. All the other Sansui speakers were average or below average.
 
To some, looks are just as important as sound. The earlier wood Sansui speakers have a beautiful look that is all Japanese. A few models that also sound good to me are the 2-way Sp-70 (small book shelf) or the SP-5500 (not X). The SP-70 almost has an American sound. The SP 5500 is built like a tank and sounds good also. Both models are a bit harder to find. Good luck on your search.
 
So I do not own a "vintage" pair of Sansui speakers and I feel like Im missing out on something. I have read positive comments on a lot of different
Sansui's, from what I remember reading about the following were highly regarded among Sansui likers or lovers.
SP200 & SP300
SP1700
SP2000
SP2500
If you have any comments about choice Sansui's please share your knowledge and opinion, especially everything Im not enlightened to, and I thank you.

Sansui does not have any remarkable speaker. Sansui is best known for their amplifiers. Everything else, as far as i know, was subcontracted out.

Some of the speakers you list are Kabuki speakers which IMO should be avoided.
 
I spent 35 years in the HiFi biz ending in 2011. During that time, of all the equipment reps I ever met and all the frontline sales people I ever had contact with, not one of them owned a pair of Japanese speakers. For the most part, they either had British or North American speakers.

Anecdotally, the belief of people in the trade was that nice electronics came from Japan but good sounding speakers came from elsewhere.

The japanese made great speakers. Not just the top of the line ultra exclusive stuff like the one made by TAD (Technical Audio Devices), but also speakers from Yamaha and Diatone(Mitsubishi). And let's not forget that Fostex is still a powerhouse in speaker driver manufacturing, their full range drivers are still sought after and enjoyed by the DIY community.

The thing is, a japanese speaker imported into the USA means there are extra costs/taxes added, and this would put them at a disadvantage. As a former salesman said on this forum, he said something like "we carried Yamaha speakers but they didn't sell, not because they were bad, but because for the same price you could get better alternatives from the american manufacturers"

I happen to own (and have owned, and have listened to) many speakers from Yamaha and I do like them.
 
I really enjoy my SP 200's after restoration and recap. The issue with some Sansui speakers are the stiff surrounds on the woofer and the midranges. If they have not been softened up, then their motion is restricted resulting in poor sq. Often overlooked are the midrange surrounds which turn hard as plastic and sometimes even crack! They do not move at all, unless softened. Not being a fan of the lattice grills, I made my own using dark brown grill cloth, but not fixing the Sansui badge to them. When playing them for other hobbyists, they are presented as the "mystery" speakers, as no brand is indicated. No complaints thus far, only praise. The large port holes have been sealed, giving a bass response that I prefer.
 
All the other Sansui speakers were average or below average.
Sorry, but have to jump in. With all respect, this is your opinion.
Assuming that you even listened to "all the other speakers"
Sansui does not have any remarkable speaker
Again, you have listen to how many models?
I own the Sansui SP-70 and the SP-1001. I know they are different from a lot of the Sansui loudspeakers we all know. To me they sound really good. I have a smallish listening space ( this is why before I owned mostly British loudspeakers, Kef Q-50 and Linn Kaber and still own original Linn Kan's).
I think it all depends on what sound you're looking for, what type of music you listen to, what kind of amplification you use and what has your preference in the listening space you use.
Everything else, as far as i know, was subcontracted out.
I have no idea where you got this "knowledge", but is wrong.
Sansui was even a pioneer in loudspeaker development late '70s, early '80s, especially in cone material.
Just the opinion from a person that did research the history of Sansui.
Good listening on your preferred loudspeakers!
 
I have no idea where you got this "knowledge", but is wrong.
Sansui was even a pioneer in loudspeaker development late '70s, early '80s, especially in cone material.
Just the opinion from a person that did research the history of Sansui.
Good listening on your preferred loudspeakers!

This is common knowledge. Sorry but perhaps it is you who should get more information on how the japanese industy worked. You can read more here, to give you an idea of how the japanese industry worked:


Warning. if you think that only one japanese brand (i.e. Sansui) is superior to others, the above link will shatter your expectations.

Now, in japan, speaker drivers were manufactured by only a few companies: Coral, Fostex/Foster, Pioneer, Matsushita (Technics/Panasonic), Those manufactured for other companies as well as for themselves. Now, besides them, just a few BIG companies also made their drivers, as far as i know used only on their speakers: Sony and Diatone (Mitubishi), Yamaha: Note that Sony, Matushita, Yamaha and MItsubishi are/were absolutely HUGE companies (mitsubishi even made planes...).

Now apart from that there are the plethora of other manufacturers that were smaller and simply subcontracted many things out, to put just an example, many manufacturers -including obviously Sansui- subcontracted out turntable manufactuing to Fujiya, CEC, Micro Seiki and others. And so on with anything that is not the core business of the company. The core business of Sansui was (first) transformers and then amplifiers.

Only a few companies made many kind of devices for themselves, again, mostly the major, big companies: Sony, Matsushita. At least those two were able to make the compelte chain of audio devices without requiring subcontractors: Speakers, Amplifiers, Cassette players, Turntables. But even those two did use subcontractors on lower priced equipment, ocassionally.

Complete speakers? Coral and Pioneer were major OEMs for other manufacturers and this gets a bit more obvious when you disassemble, for example, an Akai speaker to see that the drivers were made by Coral or Fostex, but with an Akai logo stamped instead.

Now let's go for just an example of OEM subcontracting

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This is on the Sansui SP-200

Now what do we have on an Akai speaker of the same vintage?

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Look att the speaker basket stamp ribs, shape and holes. It's the same stamping.

This was not made by Sansui nor Akai... This is a subcontracted driver, most likely Coral.

Sansui making their own cones? Not by a long shot... this would make no business sense to them. To put things in perspective, in the 1970s Sony wanted to be the #1 speaker manufacturer and they had to invest in a huge factory only for the purposes of making speaker cones. And again note that Sony was a huge company in the 70s.
 
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I am well aware of the subcontracting that was done in Japan in the '60/70/80s. Also aware of the sharing of knowledge and manufacturing of components for eachother. Is by the way some thing else then sub contractors designated by the T symbol which was used mostly for outsourced assembly.
I didn't say Sansui made his own drivers. I said developed. And the only I know about this is that they describe there development of these drivers. This was probably done in cooperation with manufacturers.
They still designed there loudspeakers. (Example LM model) Some ofcourse in cooperation with other manufacturers as Coral, Diatone (which whom they even made an exchange, Diatone made a loudspeaker for them, Sansui made an amplifier for them) and ofcourse JBL (SP-505J for example)
To a small group of people it is also known that Micro was involved with a lot of turntables in the '70-80s.
To call this common knowledge is really funny.
Thanks by the way for the link, interesting, although not so much new information.
Pictures of Sansui production of loudspeakers:

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I for sure do not think that Sansui,or Japanese manufacturers are the best in the world. I avoid using words as ever, never, everything, any. Mostly because the more I learn the more I am aware I know so little.
I gave my opinion about Sansui loudspeakers I actually own and use. I talked about knowing the history of Sansui not about the whole industry and the only knowledge you provide is a link that admits that they know only that it existed some limited information. So saying that Sansui didn't make any good loudspeakers is saying in your words that Coral, JBL and Diatone didn't know how to make them.
What would have been useful to the OP is information about you using Sansui loudspeakers and the circumstances you used them in and your opinion about that.
Thanks
 
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Sansui made three excellent speakers: SP-L700, SP-L800 and SP-L900 (SP-G200, SP-G300 and SP-G500 in Japan). SP-L700 was upgraded as SP-L750 with a super tweeter. They all sounded like JBLs. All the other Sansui speakers were average or below average
It is getting interesting. I will keep my eyes peeled for these and do some recon.
 
Opinion(s) on the SP-7500x? Asking price is $150, post says they are"rare", are they?

Local CL has a cosmetically challenged pair that supposedly work and sound fine (wood grills look good in pics).
 
Some of their low-power rating speakers are great. I love my SP-200s. All alnico magnets in a big, beautiful, heavy box. They are incredibly efficient, but probably shouldn't be fed large amounts of power. They have a 40W-max rating printed on them, and I'm inclined to stick to that. They probably had some other models that were similarly well-suited for lower power setups. I think this type of speaker was really Sansui's sweet spot.

I think if you are looking for a big pair of mains for your primary system, and have power to spare, you can probably do better than the bigger Sansuis. They all seem to have enormous woofers relative to the size of their front baffles. That's a fundamental design flaw in my book, but I guess you can't always judge a book by its cover. I'm sure some of them are good - and you
 
I don't know if Sansui developed this on his own, I assume in cooperation with a loudspeaker driver manufacturer.


LM series, in house developed liniar motion tweeter.
And before shooting this down for being unknown sources. This accounts for almost anything we know about the development of audio equipment.
Also, most loudspeaker manufacturers of the present use drivers at the most specially adapted for them.
And yes, some make them there self. Even a small Dutch loudspeaker manufacturer developed there own paper cone driver together with a technical university.
And to be clear. I don't claim to know anything close to the whole. But I did my research and I am always happy to be corrected by proof!
Just get a little tired that when someone ( original OP ) says that he would like to have a vintage Sansui loudspeaker set and asks what models are the better ones the people come telling him that they heard all ( or all the models they heard, how many are that?) Sansui loudspeakers and that they are at best mediocre.
For me, all KEF loudspeakers I heard sounded mediocre to me. Should I say then that all KEFs are mediocre? Ofcourse not!
So again, do you have personal experience with Sansui loudspeakers and do you care to share that experience?
 
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