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Turntable needed

I have a simple question...... I'm looking for a basic entry-level record player I can buy to start out. I have speakers, amps, receivers everything.... I just need a turntable. I have no idea what to look for or anything, thanks in advance.
 
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You probably need to answer a few questions before people can start answering your question...

What is your budget?
Do you mind buying a used or vintage turntable or do you want new?
Does your amplifier have a built-in phono-stage (usually indicated by an input labelled "Phono")?
 
OP, You need a phono preamp in addition to turntable. Your receiver may have a phono preamp built in to it. If it does not you will either need to buy a turntable with phono preamp built into it or you will need to buy a stand alone phono preamp. Look at Fluance Turntables. They market high quality yet inexpensive turntables, some which come with built-in phono preamp, as well as cartridge in the $300 arena. Consider the Fluance RT-82 without preamp and buy a Schiit Mani preamp for $150, or a Fluance RT-81,which comes with a built-in preamp.
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You probably need to answer a few questions before people can start answering your question...

What is your budget?
Do you mind buying a used or vintage turntable or do you want new?
Does your amplifier have a built-in phono-stage (usually indicated by an input labelled "Phono")?
Thanks for the reply...
Yes I have a Pioneer integrated amp SA-6500ii and a Denon PMA-700v. Vintage or new makes no difference but I want a quality set-up.
 
Hard to beat a vintage Pioneer or Technics turntable, especially if you can find one that has been gone through. While not "Cream Of The Crop" they tend to have decent price points, reliable, and pretty good performance for a starter table. I am personally a fan of the PL-518/PL-540 series of Pioneers. Built like tanks, great starter-level performance, and have auto return, which is a must for my lazy butt.
 
Your options are belt drive, direct drive or idler drive. All have their caveats. Belt drive are typically simpler in terms of electronics, so if you can fit a new belt but don't want to (potentially) get the soldering iron out then belt drive might be a good fit. Factor in the cost of a new belt, which is not a lot. Direct drive are known for excellent speed control (usually) and no belts to replace. They can, however, suffer more from aged electronic components which may effect speed stability. Idler drives are typically quite old decks that use a rubber wheel under the platter to drive it round. They are popular because often they deliver a very distinct type of sound. They do suffer from mechanical issues which are often related to aged grease and tired springs - these can be sorted out though. Sometimes you might a flat spot on the rubber idler tyre which makes a 'bump, bump, bump' as the platter rotates - potentially factor in a replacement idler wheel if you buy one of these machines.

That's just a rundown of the popular technologies for you - they all have common issues and they all have individual issues. If you like tinkering with stuff, you can pretty much buy any well known brand and find lots of help to fix it up. If you want plug-and-play, then as advised above perhaps look for a restored unit.

Good luck with the hunt, it's great fun and addictive :-)
 
I have a simple question...... I'm looking for a basic entry-level record player I can buy to start out. I have speakers, amps, receivers everything.... I just need a turntable. I have no idea what to look for or anything, thanks in advance.

Can you explain WHY do you need a turntable? Which records do you plan to buy and play on it? For different purposes - different playback devices are needed.

One thing would be, if you want to buy and play vintage (1950s-1960s) records, another when you want to play records from their heyday in 1970s. Defferent setup is needed for modern audiophile releases. Or do you just want to show guests that you have turntable and few records?
 
For new, a uturn turntable for 179, would be a good option. The next level for a new table would be the return of the 1200mk7 for 1K(the stuff in between is no better than the uturn for much more money and spec wise the new 1200mkVII has no equal way over it price range).
As for used, get any of the Technics MKIIs or any table made in the early to mid 80s with quartz lock. Getting one with a S arm will save money and get you lots of choices down the road(they still make headshells and you can get cartridges pre mounted).
 
Can you explain WHY do you need a turntable? Which records do you plan to buy and play on it? For different purposes - different playback devices are needed.

One thing would be, if you want to buy and play vintage (1950s-1960s) records, another when you want to play records from their heyday in 1970s. Defferent setup is needed for modern audiophile releases. Or do you just want to show guests that you have turntable and few records?

Ummm ok ^^

I think a general turntable will do... clearly this would be his 1st table...

Please explain why different set ups are needed for different years in the production of LPs?

“A different set up is needed for modern audiophile releases? Ummm ok....
 
I have a simple question...... I'm looking for a basic entry-level record player I can buy to start out. I have speakers, amps, receivers everything.... I just need a turntable. I have no idea what to look for or anything, thanks in advance.


As others have said Pioneer, Technics, Yamaha are good vintage tables that will get you going.

I say look at the Pioneer PL12D. Good starter, super easy to work on if ever needed. Sound is pretty good. Can be had for low buck.

New U- Turn, or project tables are low buck, technics has modern tables out for under 300, marantz also still produces an intro table.


Good luck!
 
Ummm ok ^^

I think a general turntable will do... clearly this would be his 1st table...

Please explain why different set ups are needed for different years in the production of LPs?

“A different set up is needed for modern audiophile releases? Ummm ok....

For vintage records you need high torque table (Iike driven by idler wheel) and low compliance cartridge with simple stylus profile (simple elliptical or spherical). Noise is not important - these records have enough grove noise to mask anything coming from a table. It will be better to have a dedicated mono cartridge too.

Mid to late 1970s records require high torque table and high compliance cartridge with advanced stylus profile (hyperelliptical, line contact etc.), but also should have low noise level. These records are rather quiet and table noise will get heard. They also cut hot with groove modulation requiring very flexible cartridge suspension to avoid mistracking.

Modern audiophile records require table with ultra low noise and tonearm without any resonances. If you do not have that, it does not make sense to pay $40-60 per record, when the same exact tracks are available as high-res (24/88.2 and higher, or DSD) downloads. Cartridge also needs to be up to the task, so that sound from vinyl playback is not inferior when compared to a digital version (from which vinyl is usually cut today).
 
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For vintage records you need high torque table (Iike driven by idler wheel) and low compliance cartridge with simple stylus profile (simple elliptical or spherical). Noise is not important - these records have enough grove noise to mask anything coming from a table. It will be better to have a dedicated mono cartridge too.

Mid to late 1970s records require high torque table and high compliance cartridge with advanced stylus profile (hyperelliptical, line contact etc.), but also should have low noise level. These records are rather quiet and table noise will get heard. They also cut hot with groove modulation requiring very flexible cartridge suspension to avoid mistracking.

Modern audiophile records require table with ultra low noise and tonearm without any resonances. If you do not have that, it does not make sense to pay $40-60 per record, when the same exact tracks are available as high-res (24/88.1 and higher, or DSD) downloads. Cartridge also needs to be up to the task, so that sound from vinyl playback is not inferior when compared to a digital version (from which vinyl is usually cut today).

That's a nice way to overcomplicate things for somebody who just wants a starter turntable. :dunno:

I would also say all those needs would be perfectly served by a high-quality direct drive turntable. It would have more torque than any idler and it would be quieter than any audiophile belt-driven turntable.

As a side note, I have many records from 1950s-1960s (mostly classical music) and they're every bit as good as modern records and truly benefit from a quiet turntable. In fact, I have only one record that has noticeable low-frequency rumble on its own, and it's one of the first stereo records ever made - the 1959 pressing of Bernstein conducting Gershwin's Rhapsody in Blue and An American In Paris.

Deccas from 1960s are especially impressive, with eerily quiet background and exceptional sound quality.

Mono records are a different matter and mono playback is indeed not sensitive to rumble (at least when played with a mono cartridge), but this is another rabbit hole...
 
My 2 cents. Buying a turntable is like buying a car. New cars have good warranties and typically several trouble free years with basic maintenance. Used cars have limited warranties and are subject to higher levels of care because not all the parts are brand new - you're further down the path of wear parts needing replacement. If you like to tinker, repair, clean up and fix things then a used turntable may be fun for you. You get two hobbies for the price of one (listen to music and fixing a music player occasionally). If you want to listen to music "out of the box" and not have to worry about oil, adjustments, bearings, motors or whatever then new is likely the way to go. You can hope for the best, but my description of used reflects planning for the worst.

Used, I defer to other suggestions. I had a Pioneer PL12D for a few years and sold it to my daughter's friend with no concerns she would run into trouble with it. Of course, Technics has a stellar reputation. Be wary of mail ordered tables. They're subject to travel abuse that can break your heart as well as the tonearm, dustcover, cartridge, etc.

New I suggest U-Turn. They have a highly regarded customer service policy and have engineered as much performance as possible with the buyers budget in mind. Plus, you'd be supporting a small business of like minded people. I bought one when the company was relatively new and passed it on to my daughter a couple years later. It continues to function flawlessly.
 
Thanks for the reply...
Yes I have a Pioneer integrated amp SA-6500ii and a Denon PMA-700v. Vintage or new makes no difference but I want a quality set-up.
I had that same Pioneer amp in the 1970's as part of my first component system and thought it worked quite well. Both of your amps have phono stages, so you don't need a turntable with one built-in; however, a great many of the lower-cost entry-level models come with a built-in phono stage (which can usually be bypassed, if you like, with a simple switch).

When it comes to sound quality, I haven't heard a better sounding entry-level deck than the Rega Planar 1. There are similar products from Pro-Ject (the Debut Carbon DC) and Music Hall (the MMF 2.3), but I like the sound of the Rega best (its edge in pace, rhythm, and dynamics makes every record a more involving experience). It appears you have a dealer in your area called The Sound Environment. There may be others.

That same shop also sells the very interesting Music Hall MMF 1.5, a slightly lower-priced deck ($399) with some possibly useful features, such as a removable headshell for easy exchange of cartridges (though at the cost of reduced rigidity and ultimately lower performance) and easily switchable speeds of 33 1/3, 45, and even 78 rpm. You don't need its built-in phono stage now, but it might prove useful in the future, especially if you keep this "starter" turntable for a second system or simply as a second turntable for easy playback of 45's and 78's. I haven't heard this model, but it has gotten some very good reviews. The most positive thing any review can say about a turntable is that one feels compelled to play record after record, and that's how Steve Guttenberg felt about the MMF 1.5.

"This time Elvis spoke to me, his phrasing and power, and his band's rockin' rhythms got my juices flowing. The mmf-1.5 brought me closer to Elvis' music, the production and sound quality, which I never noticed before. The mmf-1.5 may not have the gutsy bass brawn of a big direct drive turntable like a Pioneer PLX 1000 ($699), but the mmf-1.5 wins on finesse and regularly occurring musical epiphanies that make it hard to stop playing one LP after another.
https://www.cnet.com/news/music-hall-mmf-1-5-turntable-brings-sound-and-style-together/

When it comes to buying hifi equipment, I'm a big fan of buying from a local shop, one that can actually demonstrate models you are interested in so you can see first hand what they are like to operate and listen to. They can also make sure it is set up correctly and deal with any issues you might have in getting the best from it in your own system.
 
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Ummm ok ^^

I think a general turntable will do... clearly this would be his 1st table...

Please explain why different set ups are needed for different years in the production of LPs?

“A different set up is needed for modern audiophile releases? Ummm ok....

So he's saying you should own at least 7 turntables, minimum. One for each decade of music.
 
For vintage records you need high torque table (Iike driven by idler wheel) and low compliance cartridge with simple stylus profile (simple elliptical or spherical). Noise is not important - these records have enough grove noise to mask anything coming from a table. It will be better to have a dedicated mono cartridge too.

Mid to late 1970s records require high torque table and high compliance cartridge with advanced stylus profile (hyperelliptical, line contact etc.), but also should have low noise level. These records are rather quiet and table noise will get heard. They also cut hot with groove modulation requiring very flexible cartridge suspension to avoid mistracking.

Modern audiophile records require table with ultra low noise and tonearm without any resonances. If you do not have that, it does not make sense to pay $40-60 per record, when the same exact tracks are available as high-res (24/88.2 and higher, or DSD) downloads. Cartridge also needs to be up to the task, so that sound from vinyl playback is not inferior when compared to a digital version (from which vinyl is usually cut today).

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I can’t say I agree with that logic but i see where your coming from. I don’t think the OP is trying to dig that deep on his 1st table.

What you are talking about is good for the person who is dedicated to collecting that amount of albums. The OP will probably start off like the rest of us, a general table to get playing... but to say he needs a specific table for each era is just not correct. One may get better sound quality, but I say “may” loosely.

I have modern tables with lots of torque and on the flip side belt driven tables that ate low torque. Different arms, carts and mats too. I know quite a few folks who play modern pressings on vintage tables and vintage pressings on modern tables...
 
IMO new entry level tables are a joke, bad investment all around. My recommendation preowned Technics SL1200Mk2, do your home work and if you buy right wont loose a dime if you ever decide to sell, almost can guarantee to make money.
Seriously, some people...

I don't believe OP even mentioned his budget, and/or how much money is he willing to spend? Because from all we know, it might as well be under $200, or even $100 (there's nothing wrong with that amount IMO) Do you honestly expect him, or anyone else for that matter to find a genuine SL-1200 for that amount of money?

@siouxafrican I personally recommend Denon DP-300F (around $250), Audio Technica LP60 (around $150), Audio Technica LP3 ($200), or Audio Technica LP120, the "old" one (around $270). All the models are fully automated & belt-driven, with the exception of LP120, which is manual & has direct drive.

Unless you're willing to go with used, in which case there's a huge variety of options available...
 
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