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uTracer Tube Tester Build

Gadget,
It really ought to work. If you look at the 'testimonials' on the website, there are new-built units with multiple rotary switches and they, too, have gobs of wiring inside. Proper use of ferrite beads and following the wiring guidelines Ronald recommends make them work. You might have to retro-fit some of the wiring with beads, but I would think it ought to work. My B&K 707 already uses them copiously to head off oscillation.
 
I was doing more measuring with the uTracer to get more familiar with it and poked around a bit with the distortion analysis tool. It allows you to specify a B+ voltage, a bias voltage, a +/- swing voltage, and a load resistance and calculates a total harmonic distortion level, including harmonics, from a set of output curves you've plotted already for a given tube. I tried this for the Tung-Sol Reissue 7591A and a good NOS RCA 8BQ5 (same as 6BQ5 with 8V filament).

You can add the load line for the conditions selected right on the plot, as well as the max dissipation curve. The voltage swing chose is represented by a black segment on the load line and is pretty handy for showing graphically how Vg will swing through the curves with your selection.

The results for the conditions chosen off the tube data sheets seem to match the distortion figures quoted on the sheets pretty well. For the 7591A, 1.56% THD vs 1.5% (mostly 3rd and 4th harmonics) on the sheet and about 9.5% (highly 2nd harmonic) for the 8BQ5 compared to 10% on the sheet. Pretty handy for testing a tube for distortion against various conditions based on output characteristics of the actual tube.

QUESTIONS: A couple of observations on the Russian Tung-Sol 7591A's. This tube is from a matched quad and it shows very well on the output curves vs. data sheet (a little better, in fact) and tests very well for Gm and all the Quick Test parameters except for screen current (all 4 are like this). Why would this be and what would this represent in terms of expected operation?

Also, these particular tubes in use require a significantly higher negative bias level than NOS 7591's. I can't see from the data why this might be. If you had to operate these 7591A's at, say, -19 or -20 (versus -16V on the distortion test), what would this mean for distortion levels--higher with all other conditions the same? (that's what the distortion tool says) Any thoughts appreciated. Just a result of higher cathode emission levels for these tubes?

Just puttering with the uTracer and trying to figure out how to interpret the data and use it better.
Dave
 

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Hi Dave,

For strange reason the 7591 is the only tube I am using and I didn't build a enclosure for yet.
But generally I haven't played around the distorsion function of the UTracer, as it is evolved, maybe too much for me.
Knowing Ron, I am sure his implementation is exemplary and working perfectly.

Thanks for posting your screenshots, that will help me when I try.
Brice.
 
Update--the cabinet and parts came in from Mouser and so I've been drilling and cutting. Here's what things look like so far. All the surface hardware is in place. The uTracer board and the power supply are mounted inside. Next step is to wire the sockets. Have to leave town for a few days, but will warm up the iron when I get back.

By the way, anyone have suggestions on how to do some nice labeling of the pin jacks, switches, etc?
Thanks!
Dave
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Very nice Dave.

BTW the LM317 gets super hot. The heatsink provided is not the best IMO. You might want to check it.
 
Thanks, Brice. Is that LM337? If so, I checked it a few times during operation and the heat sink was hot, but not inordinately so. I can run a temperature check on it. Did you use a different heat sink? I wasn't planning for ventilation in the cabinet--should I?
Dave
 
Yes sorry. The voltage regulator.

I did add ventilation on mine for that exact reason.

I bought different heat sinks but none could fit as there is not enough clearance with the capacitor. So I attached 2 together, and cut parts to make it fit.
It does help.
 
UPDATE: INTERNAL HEATER VOLTAGE CORRECTION FOR HIGHER-CURRENT 6.3V TUBES

After using the uTracer a good bit I discovered a phenomenon that turns out to have been well-discussed by the uTracer user community and is dealt with in Ronald Decker's FAQ. When measuring 6.3 V filament tubes with relatively high current draw (0.8-0.9A, say a 7591A or 6L6), I noticed that test results for Gm, Ia, Is etc were about 10% lower using the internal supply set to 6.3V compared to my bench DC supply set a 6.3VDC.

I had also seen this effect before when I put extra RFI suppression in the Anode, Screen, Grid, and Cathode leads (in addition to the ones already installed on the circuit board). A little is good, so more should be better, right? Not so much, it turns out. When I removed these extra multi-wind beads, the results returned to those I had seen during breadboard testing without the extra beads. I figured this was from excess impedance in the circuit from the added suppressors with the pulsed voltages from the uTracer.

I had installed, as recommended by Ronald in the Construction Manual, the multi-turn RFI beads in the filament leads and I believe the added reactance (impedance) is holding down the delivered average filament voltage to the tube. After reading some online dialogue from the user community and then Ronald's FAQ on the heater supply, I confirmed that this is likely the case. Ronald has held forth on his website FAQ on how this can occur with low voltage/high current tubes, but I believe it was happening on mine for 6.3V tubes for the reasons given below.

The RFI suppressors I used (Mouser 807-4212R-4 API-Delevan--one in each leg) with all the turns used have something like 300-400 ohms impedance at the 19.5 kHz pulse frequency. This combined with that of the ferrite beads in the socket wiring, plus stray inductance of the wiring itself was probably contributing to the slump in filament voltage. Ronald explains that the pulsed filament voltage is a product of a the duty cycle used by the filament supply based on the voltage entered on the GUI and the power supply max voltage. My 18V supply, being lowest in the recommended range, probably contributed as well.

I ran some tests and figured for the 7591 and 6L6 that running the voltage setting for the internal supply at about 7.0V more or less equalized the results compared to 6.3VDC from my bench supply. Some folks, it turns out, calculated correction curves for any given tube and entered the corrected filament voltage in their saved set up file for the tube. Ronald cautions on using an overall correction factor, as the inductance can vary due to multiple factors, eg. depending on the tube socket you're using, etc.

The simplest solution is to use an outboard DC power supply, as Ronald recommends and that's what I'm doing, but I thought I'd pass this along for those of you who have built and weren't aware. By the way, I compared the results for 12V tubes like the 12AX7 and the difference between results using the internal supply vs. the external DC supply were negligible on my unit. I'm considering removing the ferrite suppressors in the filament leads and seeing if that fully resolves the issue at some point.

Dave
 
That's an interesting point Dave. Thanks for sharing.
I remember reading about it, especially for power tubes.
We probably should remove all beads from the heaters connection.
 
I just got back to building my uTracer kit. I started it about two years ago but I got busy with other things. I hope top get it done in a couple of weeks. I ran out of the Wurth ferrite tubes and had to order more today. I am looking forward to finishing it and getting to learn how to use it.

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I just came across this thread and very impressed with your build, Dave! Well done, and thanks for sharing! I've been using a TV-7 and a Mighty Mite for my testing but certainly can see the benefits of a uTracer over that setup. Could be this winter's project!
 
By the way, anyone have suggestions on how to do some nice labeling of the pin jacks, switches, etc?
I just bought a Brother PT-P900W for labeling chores like this, and I'm pretty happy with it so far. There's quite an array of choices in laminated label printing stock available.
 
I am surprised to find so little on the Utracer on audiokarma.
I have one of the utracer 4+ units and find it consistently matches both the data sheet values and my AVO mark IV when testing true NOS tubes.
The "pretend" NOS tubes (AKA used) often sold today jump right out when measured on either the AVO or the Utracer.
It is invaluable in understanding tube performance areas not clearly spelled out on the data sheets.
The best part for me is Ronald's web site has software for turning Utracer data into spice models. In designs I have simulated using the models I created with his software when the circuit is actually build and lab tested the results often so closely match the spice simulation that no component changes are required at all in bench testing.
I get great fun and value from my Utracer 4+.
Ronald also now has the Utracer 6 that can deliver 1 amp current at up to 1,000V I am in the process of building. With the pulse testing it allows you to probe the outer limits of power tubes under transient conditions like encountered in real music program material that a steady state tester simply can not do without risk of destroying the tube under test.
Here is my Utracer 4 that I now have lots of time on and it has proven a accurate reliable lab piece. Also Ronald is a stand up guy. Highly recommended.
 

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I read so many good things about this kit. Several years ago (4 or 5 years ago) I wondered why I did not come across folks selling this kit assembled. I wasn't searching hard for examples, but given the great things I read, I just wondered. Sure, labor hours would add up to the costs, but I never came across an example of a fully assembled uTracer kit for sale. Then it dawn on me. Anyone who assembled a kit realized how great a value this kit offers. Ronald sure has done the tube community a great service with this kit.
 
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