Waste of Breath

[JimmyNeutron]

He's entitled to his opinions....assanine as they may be......I dont take offfence. I just look and listen to my Mc rack and smile....

Artie

That's all we can do MacMan, just look over at our beautiful equipment, listen to it, and smile. Let them think what they may, but you just have to own one to know the difference. If you don't own a Mac, I don't want to hear your opinion of a Mac.

 

[JimmyNeutron]

By the way Macman, I'm trying to see your gear in your avatar but it's a bit too small. Is there someway you could post some pics of your gear, or point me to a thread that you've posted them on before?

 

[Negotiableterms]

By the way Macman, I'm trying to see your gear in your avatar but it's a bit too small. Is there someway you could post some pics of your gear, or point me to a thread that you've posted them on before?

...and to James Neutron, the award for most appropriate hijack! This man took a thread that needed ending, and turned it into something useful!

I have long wished that all avatars could be "expanded" just like other linked pics, because I often can't tell what they really depict. Perhaps, this could be done with a link on the CP page to avoid bandwith problems? Sorry, admins, for another herculean request!

 

[theophile]

I rarely come to this forum.

However the tone of the first post in this thread had me thinking "Asylum".
Anyone else get that feeling?

 

[Mike Gibson]

Theophile, that's the feeling I got also. Just kind of a walk into the room and start slapping faces. Sooner than later you'll get a reaction I was thinking with very little effort the post could have the wording changed slightly and sailed right on through. Just a little "I think" or "Does anyone notice?" or even "It seems to me that........." would take a lot of the sting out of it. Personally I just read this thread to see what would happen. I have some old Mac stuff and like it and don't really give a rat's ass if anyone else in the known universe likes it or not. I didn't buy it to suit the world or to show the world for that matter. I wouldn't make pimple on an audiophile's ass but I know what I like to hear and for me the Mac does it.

 

[JSCC]

Hi MacSuiSam,

I dont know why you have written your "constructive criticsms" but surely, the words seems strong and at times offensive, both to Ron and fellow owners like myself.

I work in the largest disk drive manufacturer and know for sure all pc makers uses drives that are NOT designed by them, but merely spec to their respective interfaces and needs. So, what McIntosh had done is simply the same. Are we to say Apple Computers are rebadging WD or Seagate stuff and calling them iMacs, Power Macs, ...... Not to say the motors, spindles, etc, ... The answer is obvious isnt it? Even the Wilson 7 speakers I owned have parts NOT made by Wilson Audio but by Focal, etc, .....

And like one of the members pointed out, referring to the MCD7005 is surely a wrong piece of argument.

Whatever the intention is, I dont think this is the way words should be directed to Ron and somewhere along the line, hurt the feelings of many other McIntosh lovers and users.

In the end, its all about consumerism, business objectives and goals and this have absolutely nothing on McIntosh quality, build, performance and value which has been exemplary. Like I said before, I am saving for my next dream McIntosh upgrade, when I part ways with my current setup. I am sure I am not in BLIND faith like you claimed us to be.

Lets enjoy the music and appreciate the beauty which McIntosh can bring us than to argue about having rich guys form a consortium of sort to "tweek" McIntosh's path to your argument.

Regards,

Jerry

 

[MacSuiSam]

MAC attack

Lol.. None of you answered my questions as you avoided them altogether by attacking me personally which which is unacceptable. I did research the Clarion piece however the info was from roger russell's website which was not updated. Listening to you guys bitch and squeal because I pointed out fact which none of you have ANSWERED and instead continue to utilize smoke and mirrors and insults to skirt my question. Regarding the Mac's server which was developed, etc by Escient (that happens to be owned by DM Holdings as well), you actually answered one of my questions. Thank you. The Escient server (in Mac garb) is three times the price of the similar escient model which was helpful. Thank you. Why should I buy the exorbatant MAC version when I can have the same Escient server at lower cost? Purchasing the MAC version because it is nicer looking on the outside is not a reason to buy a product. We are here for the music, right? It is highway robbery.

Regarding the 7005, the best answer from the peanut gallery was that the 7005 cd player is disqualified because it was built in 87-88. Brilliant. More smoke and mirrors without substance or objectivity. The 7005 is almost identical to the Magnovox/Phillips players of the mid-late 80's which were never considered "high-end." In fact the similar Magnovox player of same vintage (which has the ALMOST identical chipset, transport and utilizes the same read/out display to the 7005 minus the hulking metal MAC box that hides a mass market unit. Mod Squad attempted to pull off their "modded" magnovox junk boxes and ended up pissing off thousands of consumers beacause their mods were as musical as adding a DBX eq to a system.

My cousin had the identical Magnovox unit that he purchased in late 1988 from Service Merchandise in South Florida for under $400 (along with a cheap technics sr-330 receiver for $250). It is what it is. It can't be disputed. This is what bothers me. Macintosh repackaged the exact massmarket Magnovox gear (their cd players of recent and more current vintage is just ONE example), and encase it in a large, heavy box , and have the Chutzpah to turn around and sell it for 10 times the price.

I also remember listening to my friends MAC music bank changer with the fancy metal casing and chassis. At that time I had a Nak MB? music bank changer (MB 8 I believe). I had my friend audition both pieces together. The Nak changed discs with the same speed, and sounded identical to the MAC. I paid $680 for the Nak in late 1995. My friend (to his dismay) could not distinguish the two sonically or mechanically. He was angry (livid was more like it) as he spent over $1800 for the MAC. The only difference was that he forked over 1k for the "mcintosh" label in blue lights and a metal case. Why does MAC stoop to such tactics? It is similar to the days when JC penny sold receivers in the late 70's. The receivers were built by Pioneer and were identical minus the fancy MCS engraving, lights, and casing but one paid a premium for the identical unit. Pioneer took a bath on that one.

If you believe that I am full of bologna than please put me in my place and call me a loud nouth, full of crap fool. HOWEVER no one has been able to step up and cite real meaty, objective examples that prove me wrong regarding MAC's heavy metal box tactics per their cd players, dvd, and theatre processors (87+).

If I am disgraced that I will gladly suck in the pride, and take my lashings... I have no problem being framed as an ignorant, crap talking fool and will gladly admit that I am wrong and will personally apologize to the group for wasting your time. However,respond with objective, examples to back your flame.

BTW- I believe that BAT builds their own gear.

Love you all,
Sam

 

[RichPA]

Mac, WTF is your problem? This is a forum for people who like McIntosh to discuss their hobby. So they use OEM parts, like everyone else in the business, and somebody doesn't think the work they put in is worth it - so what? I don't own any McIntosh gear, but I visited the factory this summer, and they were making new faceplates for an amp they last sold in 1977, and repairing gear even older than that. I suggest you chill out, and spend some time getting to know this place.

 

[OvenMaster]

I don't care who owned it in the past or who owns it now. I don't own one single piece of Mac gear but if I could afford it, I would gladly pay for it. Sticking to amps, tuners, preamps would drastically cut back on the available gear for sale. So what if they put their name on someone else's product? If it's worth it to you, buy it. If it's not, don't. No one is putting a gun to anyone's head to buy their gear.

For instance, my present Marantz CD player is really just a rebadged Philips. I'm sure I paid a premium for the Marantz nameplate. Am I annoyed knowing it's really a cheapie underneath the sheet metal? Not at all. I expected to pay more and was happy to do so. Anyone who buys any gear is responsible for researching what they buy.

If Mac gear is rebranded stuff from other companies, I really don't think the present owners have forgotten the lessons of what made the reputation of the name what it is. ANY company is driven by economics. There are only a handful of CD transport makers because it is economical for CD player makers to buy them from someone else. Companies try to save money because it's smart and profitable. So if it means they can trade on their reputation and put their name on gear made by someone else, so what? More power to 'em as long as the gear they sell meets their standards, and those of the people who shell out the big bucks for it.

If it really was crap then word would get around and people simply would not buy it.

Tom

 

[jrsystems]

Taunting the lynch mob.

I don't think you read half these posts, because I cannot see which of your witty 'points' were not addressed. Now you continue to dwell on McIntosh being crap because they made a mediocre piece back when you were a high school geek. You clearly have no idea how good this equipment is and as much as you demand us to justify Mc's existance now, I am still waiting for you to present an intelligent comment about a contemporary piece. How about comparing a MC501 to a comparably priced BAT 'builds their own gear' piece? BAT is an excellent amp and a good reference, you would be shocked at how good a McIntosh is when compared to it.

By the way, the MS300 was about $1000 more than the Escient (not three times as you misinform) with better DAC's. Matching the rest of my equipment in my rack alone is worth the difference (a fact which I am sure bothers you as well, but don't worry, I can afford it.)

Your bio:

Birthday: May 22, 1974
Biography: Ohm..... Ohm...... I hate designer audio manufacturers
-Here's the problem. Secretly jealous of your cousin who could afford a Mac when you were kids so you had to humiliate him and have held on to this for years?
Location: Washington, DC
Interests: Vintage audio, music, photography, surfing, collecting aircooled vws
-You like vintage audio, but hate McIntosh, interesting. You don't have to love the stuff but any true vintage audiophile would have a respect for McIntosh's tremendous and continuing reputation.
-I hear the surfing is great in Washington DC
-You collect air-cooled VW's?!? Gee, your beloved VW sure has made some mistakes in their day, haven't they? Let's talk about a company that has made some bombs. However despite all of their quality problems and the many bombs they made in the past, they still make some great cars. My first car was a 75 VW Dasher that fell apart on the way to college. Yet I harbor no deep-seated hatred for this company years later. By the way, the Porsche Cayenne is a rebadged VW Tourag and it is not great. Does this make the 911 a bad car because Porsche had the nerve to do this? By your calculations, it would.
Occupation: Consultant
-A consultant>Someone who tells others what to do because they can't do it themselves. Enough said.
JR

 

[grumpy]

We have had enough of you Mr. Troll.

Please report to the front door where your ride is waiting to whisk you back to the Asylum. So long !