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Wayne's Audio SS-T Turntable Periphery Stabilizing Outer Ring Clamp

gary7

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Been reading about outer ring clamps and saw this on that auction site made for a SP-10. Question. Do these outer rings really do what is claimed? I can see them flattening a warped record. But with the money they cost, I think I might be able to find a flat copy of any record. Do they really help the sound?
 
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I want one. Tightens the sound up very nicely. Kenwood offered one for the 600/650 table.
 
I want one for 1/4 of the asking price... otherwise it's a hard pass.
Yea. Kinda there, too. I have an SL-10 MK1 I could use it on. But thing is I picked an excellent SL-1600 MK2 table. Has a suspended platter, OM recommends not using a weight. Nice having auto function. So I may sell the SP-10.
 
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I have considered it several times, but that is a bit of change to swallow. :^(
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Jim
 
Hi, I gifted a design to Lenco Heaven, it your handy with a jig saw & drill, not to hard to make up.
https://www.lencoheaven.net/forum/index.php?topic=28052.0
I only have 3 or 4 slightly warped LP's in my collection. Did the job of flattering those out when I play them. But with my system which is quite reasonable, Lenco 75 (refurbished); Temaad Merlin 12'' titanium arm & Accuphase AC-2 cart, I did not notice any sound improvement at all.

Cheers
 
Reviving an older thread...@gary7 : Did you ever get a periphery ring for your SP 10 MKII? I got a Michel record clamp on the recommendation/info in a thread former member 4-2-7 started. That got me looking at my records and a significant number of the ones I bought used in the last few years are dished or have edge warps. Goes with used I guess but I like the idea of flat records on my SP 10 MKII. I see Wayne's Audio has ads on USAudioMart (the photo you posted). Spendy accessory for sure but I'm not going to try to replace all the records I have that are not perfect or close to it.
 
I ordered one of these a year or two ago. There is some sort of device that centers it on the table. What I found is that the hole that slips over the spindle is drilled oversize to fit all types of spindles. This means its extremely difficult to center the periphery ring and to me that creates stress on the bearing. I chose to send it back as I felt its benefits were not worth the efforts, its a pain in the butt to put on and off, and I worried about what it did to the condition of the bearing.
 
Yes they do a great job and will be audible. They flatten just about any warp and couple the LP to the platter which helps in vibration control.

I have the SS-2 shown here with the additional weights. But be aware this WILL NOT fit a stock SP10 platter it fouls on the platter chamfer and I used a 5mm acrylic spacer under the rubber mat before I made my new POM platter. The SS-T is the one to get to fit a stock Technics.

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To add to this before I bought the ring I used a reflex clamp. the ring does a far superior job than the clamp.

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Interesting observation @Mister Pig ; I always wondered how the ring was centered, or not, on the record. @warrjon : thanks for sharing your experience. I contacted "Wayne" and he quickly replied and recommended his SS-U at $450. It has a chamfer on the underside that fits the tapered SP-10 platter and he offers a 14-day return. Hmmm. I spent a lot of time and effort to get the SRA/VTA right for my cartridge but all that effort seems moot given some of my "potato chip" shaped records. OK, that is an exaggeration but it still kind of irritates me.
 
I bought my ring at the beginning of the year so it's pretty new. Wayne has updated the centering jig and it works pretty well. The biggest issue for me is the Stanton 881 being a low rider sometimes rubs the bottom of the stylus housing on the ring.

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I bought my ring at the beginning of the year so it's pretty new. Wayne has updated the centering jig and it works pretty well. The biggest issue for me is the Stanton 881 being a low rider sometimes rubs the bottom of the stylus housing on the ring.

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How far above the record surface is the top of the ring? If it is too high above the record that would be a deal breaker. @Mister Pig : Is your centering jig like the one @warrjon shows?
 
Interesting observation @Mister Pig ; I always wondered how the ring was centered, or not, on the record. @warrjon : thanks for sharing your experience. I contacted "Wayne" and he quickly replied and recommended his SS-U at $450. It has a chamfer on the underside that fits the tapered SP-10 platter and he offers a 14-day return. Hmmm. I spent a lot of time and effort to get the SRA/VTA right for my cartridge but all that effort seems moot given some of my "potato chip" shaped records. OK, that is an exaggeration but it still kind of irritates me.

The device that centers the ring is the same as the one that came with my clamp. My issue was too large a center hole for my turntables. Perhaps there is a way to tighten that up and it won't be an issue for you. The one in the photo from warrjon looks to have a better fit than the one I had gotten.

In my case I had one other issue that always worried me. In 1999 I had fallen 16 feet at work and shattered both my wrists. Have had multiple surgeries and my dexterity has suffered a bit. I have a tendency to drop things, and I am hell on coffee cups in the kitchen since we have stone countertops. I always worried about dropping the ring on a record when installing it. But that just applies to my case, and I was always uneasy using one. But that is just me.

Now that I think of it, MAKE SURE you have return privileges. There is a thread on Audiogon where some people were less than pleased with their transactions.

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/wayne-s-audio-problems/post?postid=1936183

Just know you have return privileges and then you can figure out for yourself if its worth owning.
 
@Mister Pig : Thanks for the link. I found it interesting that the Wayne's Audio ring relies on friction between the underside of the ring and the record to hold it in place and the 'Gon complaint (other than Wayne's business ethics) was the ring slid around. Did you notice that or was it only that the ring was off-center? Or any issues with the thickness of the inner edge of the ring touching the bottom of the cart? Am I correct in assuming the return process went smoothly?

My interest in a periphery ring began after I started using the Michell clamp and after reading the thread started by 4-2-7 I had the impression that with a clamp with a hollow underside, plus the correct size washer at the spindle, the edges of a warped or dished record would flatten out. That has not been my experience on a number of my records even using a variety of very thin mylar washers to adjust how the clamp applies pressure to the record. With some dished or edge warped records no combination of washers improved matters.

Besides VTA/SRA issues I am concerned about the vibration path from the stylus through the vinyl to the TT mat etc. What happens to the vibration at the stylus if the record is floating above the mat? I suppose the record provides damping and that any vibrations migrate to where the record touches the mat or spindle. Does that really matter? I'm fairly confident that my tonearm provides a consistent VTF as it rides a warp given the CG of the counterweight is below the vertical pivot but my experiences with TT isolation indicate to me that damping or isolating the stylus from external vibration is a good thing.
 
@Mister Pig : Thanks for the link. I found it interesting that the Wayne's Audio ring relies on friction between the underside of the ring and the record to hold it in place and the 'Gon complaint (other than Wayne's business ethics) was the ring slid around. Did you notice that or was it only that the ring was off-center? Or any issues with the thickness of the inner edge of the ring touching the bottom of the cart? Am I correct in assuming the return process went smoothly?

My interest in a periphery ring began after I started using the Michell clamp and after reading the thread started by 4-2-7 I had the impression that with a clamp with a hollow underside, plus the correct size washer at the spindle, the edges of a warped or dished record would flatten out. That has not been my experience on a number of my records even using a variety of very thin mylar washers to adjust how the clamp applies pressure to the record. With some dished or edge warped records no combination of washers improved matters.

Besides VTA/SRA issues I am concerned about the vibration path from the stylus through the vinyl to the TT mat etc. What happens to the vibration at the stylus if the record is floating above the mat? I suppose the record provides damping and that any vibrations migrate to where the record touches the mat or spindle. Does that really matter? I'm fairly confident that my tonearm provides a consistent VTF as it rides a warp given the CG of the counterweight is below the vertical pivot but my experiences with TT isolation indicate to me that damping or isolating the stylus from external vibration is a good thing.

Been to long since I owned it to answer that question. Did it slide? I don't know, maybe. I had trouble having it stay centered and I had attributed it to the play where the centering tool fit over the spindle. Perhaps the ring moved during play since the SP 10 MK II has such a strong start up movement. I cannot answer that question with any certainty.
 
Every record store used to carry a periphery ring for about $10. It wasn't a heavy ring machined from solid metal, it was stamped. Three springs were attached on the inside of the ring, in an equilateral triangle — the ring was pushed down, and these springs "clamped" on to the sides of the platter. The springs held the ring and record down, firmly enough to flatten all but the worst warps — it relied on grip, it didn't rely on heavy weight.

As said, it was a common accessory, as common as record-cleaning brushes and spare headshells.
 
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