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What’s the big deal?

Carbsandcaps

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Can someone please explain the appeal of these new bare bones overprices turntables? I’ve owned 2 to flip and I don’t get it. They are very cheaply made in China and very fragile. I bought a pro-ject debut carbon with the carbon fiber tone arm and $200 rca cables that everyone seems to need to buy for them. It sounded good but I don’t know about $700 good.

My latest is a pro-ject essential that was broken in shipping and is being sold for parts. The platter is made of laminated particle board. Yea I said laminated particle board.

Am I missing something or is this just the latest fad to separate fools and their money? IMG_9766.jpegIMG_9764.jpegIMG_9767.jpegIMG_9770.jpeg
 
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I bought a pro-ject debut carbon with the carbon fiber tone arm and $200 rca cables that everyone seems to need to buy for them. It sounded good but I don’t know about $700 good.

Those are canadian dollars? Australian dollars?

Here there is an used pro-ject debut carbon for about $290 USD and nobody wants to buy it.
 
Those are canadian dollars? Australian dollars?

Here there is a used pro-ject debut carbon for about $290 USD and nobody wants to buy it.
New that’s how much the top of the line debut carbon esprit was. The one I got in a package deal I sold for $380 with an audiotechnica fine line cartridge and some fancy power supply.
 
Pro-Ject turntables aren't made in China. They are made in the Czech Republic.
I had a Pro-Ject 1.1, Made in The Czech Republic.

Cueing lasted about a year, then when I got better speakers, I noticed a lot of feedback when playing loud. Swapped for a vintage turntable and no feedback at all.

Sold it, no regrets
 
I had a Pro-Ject 1.1, Made in The Czech Republic.

Cueing lasted about a year, then when I got better speakers, I noticed a lot of feedback when playing loud. Swapped for a vintage turntable and no feedback at all.

Sold it, no regrets
Great. What vintage turntable, out of interest?
 
a flat plate of MDF with a round flat plate of more that spins I'm not surprised will resonate with the speakers.

Which is the modern belt drive turntable that hangs the motor from rubber bands for isolation? Is that one of the Pro-Ject models?
 
Am I missing something or is this just the latest fad to separate fools and their money?

No you are not missing anything :) There is new turntable for about $1000 what works as it should, better than those boutique crap (and with KAB fluid damper it is excellent table):


 
a flat plate of MDF with a round flat plate of more that spins I'm not surprised will resonate with the speakers.

Which is the modern belt drive turntable that hangs the motor from rubber bands for isolation? Is that one of the Pro-Ject models?

Don’t know if you consider them modern but Rega used o-rings for motor support.
That Pro-Ject table resembles the cheapest Rega, which I think, also uses a MDF platter.
 
Can someone please explain the appeal of these new bare bones overprices turntables? I’ve owned 2 to flip and I don’t get it. They are very cheaply made in China and very fragile. I bought a pro-ject debut carbon with the carbon fiber tone arm and $200 rca cables that everyone seems to need to buy for them. It sounded good but I don’t know about $700 good.
To understand the appeal of new, bare-bones turntables, and to know whether they sound good for the money, I think a person needs to audition them in a hi-fi shop against other options near their price points. If a person is interested in buying one, it's good to borrow a floor sample overnight so you can hear it in your own system and setting before making a final decision. It was that process that led to my buying a Rega RP3.
My latest is a pro-ject essential that was broken in shipping and is being sold for parts. The platter is made of laminated particle board. Yea I said laminated particle board.
Well, your latest is a long-discontinued version of a product line that seems to no longer exist; in any event, I can no longer find Essential models at Pro-Ject's web site. The latest might have been 2017's Essential III, which used upgraded materials for platter and plinth, better isolation feet, different tonearm design, and upgraded cartridge. I also don't find the Debut Carbon Esprit on Pro-Ject's website, or the newer Debut Carbon Esprit SB (DC). If you want to understand the appeal of new, bare-bones turntables, it would probably be best to at least audition a new one, not a used one that has been rewired.
Am I missing something or is this just the latest fad to separate fools and their money?
If by "this" you mean buying a new, bare-bones turntable, there's nothing inherently foolish about it. Of course, not every decision in life proves to have been the best one, but that doesn't mean the decision was made foolishly--it could well have been arrived at after much research, seeking out experienced opinions, and making the best choice we could with the available information. A person might love the sound and buy a bare-bones turntable, but find after some time that the manual operation, which he had thought would be no big deal, irritates him, so he ends up replacing the bare-bones model with an automatic. Neither purchase was made foolishly, but the second had the benefit of actual long-term experience living with a manual turntable. On the other hand, a friend of mine has had an original Rega P1 for about 17 absolutely trouble-free years, still loves it, still recommends it as "all the turntable anyone really needs."
 
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I think a person needs to audition them in a hi-fi shop against other options near their price points. If a person is interested in buying one, it's good to borrow a floor sample overnight so you can hear it in your own system and setting before making a final decision.
This would be hard to do for the majority of people. I live in an east coast "destination/resort" area with a couple of million people, we have no where that would do this.

But easy day, it's a great time to be in this hobby, the vast majority of sellers have very liberal return policies with auditioning in the home part of the plan. If you don't like something then return it with in the "return window". I have done this with speakers and amps. Many places offer free returns and will even have the shipper pick it up at your house.
 
When I bought my Technics turntable in 1980, it was $400. That equates to $1,400 today. A comparable new Technics today sells for $1,300.

If you run those same inflation numbers backward, a lot of today's entry level turntables would have sold for around $100 back then which would have bought you a very cheap, plastic turntable.
 
When I bought my Technics turntable in 1980, it was $400. That equates to $1,400 today. A comparable new Technics today sells for $1,300.

If you run those same inflation numbers backward, a lot of today's entry level turntables would have sold for around $100 back then which would have bought you a very cheap, plastic turntable.
And in general, cheap audio is much better (SQ) today than it was then.
 
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Part of the appeal is simply the fact that it's new. You have a guarantee it will work, and if it doesn't, there's a company to back it up. Not everyone wants a project (like, actual project, not Pro-ject). I actually like working on stuff from time to time, but I can't tell you how tempting a NEW amp has been lately even though I've got a few pretty nice vintage ones, but they all have issues. For a beginner, getting started with used/vintage gear can be really frustrating and turn them off to the hobby altogether.
 
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