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What was done to this Dyna PAS (1)?

Only two of my tube amps have tube rectifiers. Even my tube preamps have a SS rectifiers. There are pro's and con's for using either. But when it comes to hifi, is voltage sag really something you want? If your worried about a.slow or soft start, it can be done with SS rectifiers, although needing some extra bits installed.
Slow-start is only really needed when converting an amp from tube rectification to solid state, or if the amp uses a choke-input filter. As for whether the best rectifier is tube or SS from a sonic perspective, that's a controversial subject, and the answer is further clouded by the class of amplifier. My 6V6 dual mono SE amp uses 6X5 rectifiers. The guitar amp I built last year with a pair of EL34 outputs also used tube rectification (5AR4). The 211 A2 SETs I'm currently massaging each have a hybrid supply (full wave bridge with a 5R4GYB for two of the diodes). On the other hand, I have yet to build any push-pull hi-fi amp this way. One reason for that is the fact I'm big fan of the old HK amps with doubler supplies. It is precisely the minimal amount of voltage sag that I like so much about these supplies, and that has led me to believe FW and FWB supplies should also be SS for AB1 hi-fi amplifiers. For preamps, I don't think it matters, although in the context of this thread, a tube rectifier would serve to eliminate the turn-on surge and to maintain the original operating voltages. The turn-on surge in particular is a potential problem. It means all the decoupling capacitors throughout the circuit, including those in the low level stages, must be able to survive the full B+ voltage from the power supply. The only solution, other than (usually) increasing their ratings, would be a relay that delays the application of B+ until all the tubes are ready to conduct.

Jack
 
I'm not sure about that one. Do you need loudness taps on the volume control? I see most of the advertised replacements have a fourth tab for the loudness control connection. There are several available for around $20.
Ideally I'd like to keep loudness controls active, yes, as I use them for my TT. One of the mods done to my PAS was to add tone bypass when in the "defeat" position, so that way I can sort of get the best of both worlds :-)

I appreciate the clarification as I was about to pull the trigger. Would you happen to have any recommendations for a pot with loudness taps? I'm having a hard time finding a 250K that has them. So far I only found the one on eBay which is very expensive.

It's the loudness tap that makes the eBay pot expensive (not that anyone should actually spend that much). You'll probably need to use a non-tapped pot and leave the Loudness switch non-functional. Looks like someone cared about this preamp enough to maintain it well. Parts that commonly fail have all been replaced, except the switches and controls.

Jack

For sure, I was very happily susprised when I opened it up, I don't think the previous owner knew how much had been done to it (he only owned it for a year and barely played it). In the grand scheme of things, if all I have to worry about is replacing the volume pot then I'm still considering myself lucky!

Only two of my tube amps have tube rectifiers. Even my tube preamps have a SS rectifiers. There are pro's and con's for using either. But when it comes to hifi, is voltage sag really something you want? If your worried about a.slow or soft start, it can be done with SS rectifiers, although needing some extra bits installed.

This aligns with the articles and opinions I've been reading. I'm thoroughly enjoying how the PAS and ST-70 sound together and can appreciate why it was done. Plus I'll never know what "character" I may be missing (if anything at all) as I've not heard a stock PAS. I'm opting not going to overthink this one. If it sounds good to me I figure that's what truly matters
 
Do you happen to know where those are made? I could probably use a half dozen or so, but only if they're not Chinese.

Jack
 
Those are ALPS counterfeits made in China. I wouldn't even consider using junk like that in a vintage Dynaco. Just sayin'.
It might be counterfakes, true. But i have used about 10 of these and they do work much better
then the old original pot in the PAS.
 
Do you happen to know where those are made? I could probably use a half dozen or so, but only if they're not Chinese.

Jack
I don't unfortunately but I just bought one so can report back when I receive it.

edit: reread the ad, it states they are made by Noble in the US. The seller seems reputable so I'd be inclined to believe it.
It might be counterfakes, true. But i have used about 10 of these and they do work much better
then the old original pot in the PAS.
Thanks for the link. I ended up buying the one I posted earlier before I saw your suggestion. Still a bit expensive with shipping and exchange to $CAD, but much cheaper than the OEM repro.
 
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Greetings, I just picked up a nice Dyna PAS + Dynakit ST-70 combo (my first tube gear, finally). Both units have been restored but I was wondering if the experts here could help me figure out what was done to the PAS as the previous owner wasn't a tech guy and only knew it had been restored when he bought it. From the looks of it, most of the internals have been replaced... the thing looks very modern inside, and brand new. It sounds really good, except for the volume pot which has a balance issue when going from say 9 o'clock to 11 (goes from right to center). Anyway, here are some pics. Looking forward to learning more about what's been done to it. Cheers
I’m not 100% per cent sure but that looks like it was mine at one point Those would be I think Curcio audio boards
For the filament and power supply and rectifier Sorry I sold it.
 
Thanks, I'll check it out (along with the one in the OP's link).
There was a post somewhere I found about a year ago on the Inter-webs showing pictures of the real ALPS and counterfeits. It had mostly to do with the label. I remember it being pretty subtle too.
 
I’m not 100% per cent sure but that looks like it was mine at one point Those would be I think Curcio audio boards
For the filament and power supply and rectifier Sorry I sold it.

Interesting! How long ago did you sell it? The guy I bought it from said he owned it for about a year and a half. All he knew is that the unit had been restored not long prior. I had been wondering what those yellow boards were so will do a little bit more digging re: Curcio, perhaps they are part of a specific kit.
 
In case anyone is interested in buying the part, I received the volume pot. It's well made and seems to be a quality, genuine Noble potentiometer. I will be looking to install it in the coming weeks.

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Great, thanks a lot. I was thinking that perhaps it doesn't matter, but at the same time I was wondering if it might affect the L-R balance control so thought I'd check just to make sure I don't screw up...
 
0F123EDA-0903-4FFE-8978-0808EF4D96F2.jpeg 51363301-44A0-4224-9966-66FB32697D60.jpeg You’re going to have to figure out the balance control. This one is straight to the line stage board and it’s been a long time.
 
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