why are the old fisher speakers worthless?

[tankdonovan]

I have a pair of XP-7Cs that I really like. Just the right amount of bass. They look good, too. Also have a pair of ST-830s that I think has a little to much boom. They have 15 inch woofers.

That`s all the Fishers I have.

And I would not call them worthless!

TankDonovan

 

[Fisherdude]

Ok, on the KS-1's:

Apparently, as is the case with the KX-100 & KX-200 integrated amps and the KX-60 tuner, "K" means "Kit". Yep, this was available as a kit. There was also a KS-1A and a KS-2A, but I don't believe they were kits.

KS-1:

Freq. Resp: 40-18,500 kHz.

Woofer: 10", butyl-coated surrounds, free air resonance 35 Hz.

Mid: 5"

Tweeter: 3"

Crossover points are 1,400 & 2,500 Hz.

8 ohms.

18" X 24" X 5 3/4". 26 lbs.

Walnut or birch.

Based on what I could find, I would assume these were fairly inexpensive, and wouldn't be considered in the same class as the XP series. The marketing text refers to its "moderate cost".

 

[Damage]

I have a 69 Mustang with an original spare tire. I don't think it has the original air in it, but it shure smelt like it! :stupid:

How about from the original spare tire from a 1969 car or truck? :scratch2:

 

[outlawmws]

I have a 69 Mustang with an original spare tire. I don't think it has the original air in it, but it shure smelt like it! :stupid:

Nope Too old! its spoilt!

Fisherdude, thanks a bunch, that is 100X the info I had before! :thmbsp:

 

[fisherlover]

thanks for the recap on them
well i didn't mean they are worthless
not to me anyway
i really like the old XP designs and they do match the old fisher receivers and amps
hopefully i can find a pair locally(rochester,n.y.)
hey if i don't like the way they sound
i can always swap the innards

 

[merrylander]

I guess the comment about the STVs is correct, saw a pait in a pawnshop, cases were nice as were the grills. Fifteen inch woofer, about a four inch mid and a 2-1/2 inch tweeter. Fifty bucks for the pair, but then I rapped on the back panel and they rang like a bell. Thanks, but no thanks.

Rob

 

[outlawmws]

Fisherdude,

You didn't happen any dates for these did you? :scratch2:

Ok, on the KS-1's:

Apparently, as is the case with the KX-100 & KX-200 integrated amps and the KX-60 tuner, "K" means "Kit". Yep, this was available as a kit. There was also a KS-1A and a KS-2A, but I don't believe they were kits.

KS-1:

Freq. Resp: 40-18,500 kHz.

Woofer: 10", butyl-coated surrounds, free air resonance 35 Hz.

Mid: 5"

Tweeter: 3"

Crossover points are 1,400 & 2,500 Hz.

8 ohms.

18" X 24" X 5 3/4". 26 lbs.

Walnut or birch.

Based on what I could find, I would assume these were fairly inexpensive, and wouldn't be considered in the same class as the XP series. The marketing text refers to its "moderate cost".

 

[dat521gatherer]

i have a xp-9 and love it. the highs are warm but thats what the treble knob is for. my problem is with the woofers they need more bass. i want to find a similar size woofer to try without cab modification. i just love that utility style cab and the grill too. i have a single and need a match!!

 

[gyusher]

I have a mint pair of XP60s that I like. . .

I have heard that the "XP" series were designed for solid state amps hence the X in the model number. . ,.

 

[Fisherdude]

Actually the XP series speakers go back almost to the beginning. The XP-1, XP-2, and XP-4 speakers appear in the 1962 Handbook, when the 500B and 800B were being sold.

 

[Fisherdude]

Outlaw, I just realized I missed your last question.

The KS-1 appears in the 1963 Handbook, but not the 1962.

The KS-2 appears in the 1968 Handbook.

 

[OLDTIMESOUND]

i have a pair of xp7c. i mated them with my klh model5. it has that warm east coast sound. these were being trashed by a old lady near my sons school.i also had a pair of original xp7. the original could not compete with the c version.

 

[macaltec]

I have 2 sets of ST-530's. Seen here: http://audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=90170&highlight=Fisher+ST-530;+spent+day+Thanksgiving

The cabs match the heavy as hell and covered in walnut veneer criteria. Anyone have anynore input on them?

 

[mhardy6647]

Actually the XP series speakers go back almost to the beginning. The XP-1, XP-2, and XP-4 speakers appear in the 1962 Handbook, when the 500B and 800B were being sold.

Umm... Fisher dates back quite a-ways before 1962...

 

[basicblues]

I have a set of Fisher XP-7B's that I intend to sell soon, have no idea what they are worth but I thought they sounded decent and the they are built well. I collected so much gear so fast that I never get a chance to use all of it so I am going to scale it all down to a more manageable level.

 

[theblackknight]

Fisher speakers that start with a DS are also worthless crap. I had a pair of DS-826, and they looked nice, had white cones, and stuff, but sounded JUST PLAIN AWFUL. Im serious, it was just hideous. The tweets distorted on ALL of the highs.

I donated them to GW, as one of the woofers was shot(rattled like hell at anything over 2wpc), because I cranked up my SX-939 on them.(the rating on the speaks was 100wpc too. pio is 75wpc. wierd, huh?)

 

[outlawmws]

Outlaw, I just realized I missed your last question.

The KS-1 appears in the 1963 Handbook, but not the 1962.

The KS-2 appears in the 1968 Handbook.

Thank you FD!

 

[Ed in SoDak]

I don't even remember who gave me an orphan XP7B, but it's definitely a well-made speaker. Butyl rubber surround 12" woofer with 40 oz. magnet, good 5" mid and nothin' special cone tweeter.

I bought a pair of XP7 speakers thinking they were similar. Similar size and style cabinet is about all that's comparable. The cloth edge woofers have alnico magnets. The midranges look identical to what was used in typical tube-powered table top radios. The tweeters are the early fried egg domes. Unusual crossover wiring, the woofer was in reverse polarity to the mids and tweeter. I'd check polarity of these compared to any other speaker you might be using at the same time.

Both the fried egg tweeters were bad. I think about 90% or more of all of them will have failed by now. There is a latex rubber "octopus" used as suspension that will have rotted or hardened. It's held in place by a strip of strapping tape that will have dried out. Expect glue failures also and a good chance of coil damage if they have been overdriven. This may explain the muted highs everyone's noticing.

The XP7 speaker seems well-suited to a tube amp. It could not handle a high-powered SS amp without bottoming very easily.

The XP7B version, however, is a much-improved speaker and sounds great. The XP9 version has an extra midrange, the XP7 has the same front panel, the empty hole is blocked off with a hardboard blank.

With some driver upgrades and crossover mods, the early versions can be brought up to more modern standards.

The grilles are held in place by narrow staples, one in each corner and in the center of the sides.

-Ed

 

[tankdonovan]

The Fisher XP-7C: Five-Speaker, Four-Way, Full-Size Speaker System

12" woofer
5 3/4" lower mid-range
5 3/4" upper mid-range
Two 3" tweeters
Three-position treble acoustic balance control
Frequency Response: 30-20,000 Hz
Walnut Cabinet / Dimensions: 24 1/2" w x 14" h x 11 7/8" d
Weight: 40 lbs.

As I said before these are really nice speakers.:yes:

TankDonovan

 

[EVBoy]

I have two pairs of Fisher XP-9's. They are high quality, well built speakers. One pair sounds good while the other sounds dull and muddy. I've heard XP-7's that sound dull and muddy also. It may be that old Fishers are more prone to capacitor problems than other brands and that is why many have a bad rep.
I think the XP series and the older models are the only ones that are collectible. When you find them they are usually dirt cheap