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why are the old fisher speakers worthless?

mhardy6647 said:
Umm... Fisher dates back quite a-ways before 1962...


Yes, I know. 1937. But, Fisher didn't really become commercially successful and well-known until the 1950's, and that was still the monaural era. The beginning of the availability of stereo receivers, even the AM-FM dual channel attempts, marks the beginning of Fisher's "modern era". That's when the annual Handbooks came out, and pretty much marks the beginning of their consumer speaker lines.

Not that the TA-500 isn't a great receiver.
 
I almost forgot about a pair of XP-60Cs that I have in my stereo grave yard. They are well built like the XP-7Cs. Look real good but I think the capacitors are gone. They have the dull/muddy sound.

Like EVBoy said when you find them they are "dirt cheap".

I would like to find a pair of XP-16s with 2 12" woofers and the XP-18s with a 18" woofer. Both 5 speaker, 4-way system. They weight in at 105 lbs. each.

TankDonovan
 
Hello, I have a pair of st-750 Fishers. They are very heavy. However they do in fact sound quite good.

I am comparing them to ohm c2, dynaco A-35, KLH 20 and some new Sony.

They don't sell for much on EBay, but I am the original owner, so my cost was long ago!!!

Mike
 
My experience with Fisher XP-7's is that they're nasal, and that's after recapping the crossover and replacing the tweeter with an EPI inverted dome (which actually seemed to help the sound). I couldn't get into the original Fisher orange dome tweeter to replace the black rubber "octopus" - the tweeter is housed in a hunkin' piece of steel bent into a flange shape and looks impregnible.

The XP-7B is likely an order of magnitude better than the XP-7. It's a shame, really, because the XP-7 radiates quality. Maybe using an equalizer to attenuate the 1 KHz band (or thereabouts) will help. That approach seems to work for another pair of nasal old-timers I have, Pioneer CS-77's.
 
The tweeters in mine have thin metal caps covering the sides of the magnet. Thinly glued, they pop or pry off with a knife blade, but bend easily. That gets you to the guts.

I did a pictorial over in the DIY forum awhile back. http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=29787 When redoing mine, I added a pot to turn down the mids and replaced the domes with a used pair out of Yamaha NS-25's. I think the XP7 crossover needs replaced or redesigned, something beyond just a recap. The one in the B model seems much better.

-Ed
 
I have a pair of the XP-60's that I used in my bedroom. I was powering them with my Marantz 2230 (modified by Ezekiel). They sounded fantastic even though I had them sitting on the ground. I recently moved them to my sound room system at church, I'm using them there with my Marantz 2245 to cue up music, listen to songs for service, dub tapes etc. My pair are in mint condition and are beautiful!
 
I have a pair of XP-56's. I use them A/B switched with Klipsch KG2's. They do not have the bass response of the Klipsch speakers, that's for sure. They sound to me like my KLH 6's, a bit less bass response than even those. They may have a rolled-off top end, I don't know - but I find them smooth and even and non-tiring. Really relaxing to listen to, is all I can say.

I bought mine at a SA for $5. I do miss those days - nobody cared for "The Fisher" XP series speakers, so they went for next to nothing. Now they're cult classics.
 
shocley said:
My experience with Fisher XP-7's is that they're nasal, and that's after recapping the crossover and replacing the tweeter with an EPI inverted dome (which actually seemed to help the sound). I couldn't get into the original Fisher orange dome tweeter to replace the black rubber "octopus" - the tweeter is housed in a hunkin' piece of steel bent into a flange shape and looks impregnible.

That's been my experience too, trying other similar "tricks" to try and improve them.

Had a customer bring in a pair of XP7s, that he got, planning to use them with a 400 receiver. No matter what I did, I couldn't get them to sound as good as a pair of KLH Model 20s we had. So, he wound up buying the KLHs!

Regards,
Gordon.
 
kbott said:
I'm anxiously waiting my lesson in the basic techniques of soldering and recapping to bring these back to life

Do you have to replace or re foam the pie pan? Is that for real?
 
I had a set of circa late 60's 3-ways w/kane grills, but they lacked response and couldn't handle the input load I was generating. Just not a hi-fi speaker system IMO.
 
Picked up a pair of XP-10's from the original owner who bought them in 1968. Paid $60 for the pair. My experience was typical, rolled off high end, nothing spectacular. I recapped them (50uF and 4uF). Big improvement, but still rolled off. I removed the dome tweeters and replaced them with a pair of EV T-35 tweeters. Wow! Totally transformed the speakers. I am pretty impressed with their sound now. Vocals are totally neutral and natural, no false heaviness. Bass is tight. Highs are very nice without being harsh. Now I am looking for a pair of XP-18's!
 

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Had a pair of XP1a's that sounded bloody lovely with orchestral works. Anything pop tended to be way way too far forward for vocals (had the obnoxious 'shoutiness' and presence of many speakers in that era (1960's). I eventually sold them but I have to admit that the cabs were constructed immaculately!
 
Had a pair of XP1a's that sounded bloody lovely with orchestral works. Anything pop tended to be way way too far forward for vocals (had the obnoxious 'shoutiness' and presence of many speakers in that era (1960's). I eventually sold them but I have to admit that the cabs were constructed immaculately!
From what I recall of Avery Fisher's reputation in the 60's. I would be very surprised if he ever deliberately listened to any pop music.
 
matter of taste obviously

I've got a pair of mint ST-828s that I got for cheap. I think they don't get enough cred. I won't say they are the most amazing set out there but if you see a pair in nice condition out there for less that $50-60 bucks I would say go for it. They do have a nice warmer open sound that sounds pretty good with any type of pop or jazz. The bass is actually pretty tight. However with these you have absolutely no need to engage the loudness button. With the 15" woofer this makes them get a bit too boomy. A bonus is the material they used on the woofer surround is bulletproof and never degrades.
 
I had a very nice pair of XP55bs.I would have passed on these for $15 but they were in such beautiful condition.Very nice sounding speaker and wish I had kept.They got passed on along with some bookshelf Utahs to someone that was looking for some speakers for his van.The problem I had was I was looking for more than the speaker had to offer.Now I know better.
 
I've got a pair of mint ST-828s that I got for cheap. I think they don't get enough cred.

It is typically pretty easy to do better than the 80's fisher offerings. If you were to pop off the woofer (appears to be a 18"?) you would find small magnets, stamped baskets, cheap crossovers, a complete lack of dampening material, and likely particleboard cabinets. The quality of the sound was never a prime concern of the company once it parted from the hands of Avery Fisher.

I'm sure they do produce plenty of bass though. TBH, the funnest time with speakers I ever remember having was at a friend's house where he had a pair of the ST series with 12" woofers in them being powered by a Harmon Kardon PM645 (I gave him the setup because I hate seeing people without at least a semblance of a proper stereo). He played a particular Xbox 360/microsoft demonstration video and cranked the volume and the entire house just shook like it was going to fall to pieces the SPL was so high. The system was just blasting like it could have taken 10x the punishment...nothing even really sounded very distorted. After the video ended we just turned to each other and started busting up laughing. I thought for sure those Fisher ST's were going to explode or melt a voice-coil or something, but somehow they managed to take a severe beating pretty well. God, that was funny.

You have to take the 80's fisher stuff for what it was - a fun throwaround speaker that you could probably even DJ a huge party with but should not rely on for imaging or soundstage or tonal accuracy...
 
Fisher products pre-1969, when Avery Fisher still owned the company, were well-built, higher priced products for their time, but reflected Fisher's own listening preferences (warm voicing that favors classical music). Most products built during this period were built to this same sort of builder-preference model, so when you went out to compare products by Fisher, Scott, Pilot, Sherwood, Harman/Kardon, AR, JBL, etc., there were definite differences and you picked what suited your own personal taste.

Fisher products made after Fisher sold the company reflect the "mass market" goals of the company's buyer, Emerson Electric (later followed by Sanyo), whose consumer products at the time mainly consisted of table radios and TVs of lower quality and price points than Fisher's. So in one fell swoop, the company's products lost both their sonic personality and their reputation for high quality. A similar fate befell many of Fisher's competitors, who today tend to exist either in the same way Fisher does (as brand names for low-end products that tend to look and sound alike) or not at all. Only a very small number have managed to preserve some prestige for their brand names, usually by spinning off higher-end variants.
 
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Do you have to replace or re foam the pie pan? Is that fo

I seem to have misplaced the free air resonance formula for an aluminum pie pan.:
 
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