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why do you have the big power amps?

I have gone back to my roots, so to speak. My first serious amp was 15 watts rms and the Wharfedale speakers were rated at min of 5 and max at 20 watts. My main system for decades ran with 50 watts.

Then upgraded to new speakers and seemed to need more power so went with 105 watts per channel. At a point of time, I picked up an amp of 200 watts per channel. I found by using a fast response LED power meter my average power level for all 3 was the same and the peak power was the same for the 105 and 200 watt amps. There was no evidence of compression I could hear. So, the bigger amp did nothing for the system.

As I downsized speakers changed as did amps. I am now running an older version of my first Wharfedales with similar specs as the ones I originally had. The amp now used is 20 watts and my average listening level and peaks have not been reduced from those attained when I had the big amps. The key is speaker efficiency. Putting the power meter on the 20 watts Sherwood amp shows I am using some .01 watts for the average listening level and 10 watts on peaks. I have had 60 watt amps on the speakers but nothing changed. I have sold off the big amps and contemplating dumping the remaining big ones.

I jist learned a lesson. One receiver, a Sony STR6120 I thought from the lit, etc. was 60 watts. I never measured it. Sounded great on my speakers and physically is almost exactly the same size and weight as a 60 watt rms ftc receiver on my great receiver list. I just happened to look at the repair manual and the actual ftc rms power rating is about 30 - 35 watts. The receiver predates the ftc so I worked with the music and ihf power ratings.

Needless to say, my jaw dropped. Because of other receivers nd amps in the 60 watt range I own, I was thinking of selling but now it is a keeper for sure. Its Music power is what makes the difference, it is quite high and recovery time very fast. In fact it is is higher than almost all my 60 watt receivers and amps.
 
well I picked up the Yamaha p2250 amp for now.had to go get rca to 1/4 jack cord though.brother tried to get me to take his Yamaha 4115 modded speakers also but their heavy brutes.i used them before but I cant remember how they sounded.you need 2 people or a hand cart for them especially with my back being not perfect.
 
so you fellas with the big boys ,why?

I first choose the speakers, and the ones I like are typically power hungry. I enjoy the sound of acoustic suspension designs (eg, AR, ATC), which to my ears are more accurate to reproduce the acoustic instruments of classical music, which is the type I listen to. A powerful amplifier becomes then necessary.

This was my comment in a related thread:
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showpost.php?p=8392793&postcount=41

Related thread: http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=632819
 
Yeah, I hear ya. 600-700wpc is passé these days.

Thinking maybe I should up my game to a Lab.Gruppen FP+ 14000, or something like that, for shits and grins.
 
I only bought my Adcom 5400 after buying a pair of Magnepan MGIIB's.
My 110w Yamaha HT receiver didn't have the nuts to drive them to where they sounded good. Thankfully the Yamaha has pre-outs for all channels, so I can add an external power amp as needed.

I'm still looking for a little more headroom than the 5400 currently provides. I'm probably going to try a 555, or that awesome looking 5800 that's still for sale in Bartertown. I would think the 555 would be enough, but you don't know until you try it :) The only thing I don't like about the 555 is that it doesn't have any protection. At least the 5400 does. Maybe the 555II does? I'll have to look into that.

Glenn
 
holy geez!now I know why guys have big amps.thought I had a concert in the house!crystal clear and If you choose ear bleeding loud.im in .will try the Yamaha p2250 for awhile then will try the halfer and see who,s the better for my app.i believe the main thing is same volumes as the ca1010 to a point but where the p2250 shines is in clarity and volume together
 
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I only bought my Adcom 5400 after buying a pair of Magnepan MGIIB's.
My 110w Yamaha HT receiver didn't have the nuts to drive them to where they sounded good. Thankfully the Yamaha has pre-outs for all channels, so I can add an external power amp as needed.

I'm still looking for a little more headroom than the 5400 currently provides. I'm probably going to try a 555, or that awesome looking 5800 that's still for sale in Bartertown. I would think the 555 would be enough, but you don't know until you try it :) The only thing I don't like about the 555 is that it doesn't have any protection. At least the 5400 does. Maybe the 555II does? I'll have to look into that.

Glenn

The original adcom 555 dont have speaker protection, the 555ll does from what ive read, ive had several of the origonal 555 over the years, very nice clean, dynamic and powerfull sounding amps.
 
holy geez!now I know why guys have big amps.thought I had a concert in the house!crystal clear and If you choose ear bleeding loud.im in .will try the Yamaha p2250 for awhile then will try the halfer and see who,s the better for my app.i believe the main thing is same volumes as the ca1010 to a point but where the p2250 shines is in clarity and volume together

I have a feeling your gonna be very happy with your p2250, I am running a yamaha p2200 on the top end on my vmps apeakers in my main rig, the p series yamahas are very well built and great sounding units with a very low noise floor, on mine there is almost no detectable power hiss even with the volume turned up, these series amps do not seem to color the sound, they put out as good as you put in, which is key if your running revealing speakers like electrostats, planers, ribbons etc.
 
I have a feeling your gonna be very happy with your p2250, I am running a yamaha p2200 on the top end on my vmps apeakers in my main rig, the p series yamahas are very well built and great sounding units with a very low noise floor, on mine there is almost no detectable power hiss even with the volume turned up, these series amps do not seem to color the sound, they put out as good as you put in, which is key if your running revealing speakers like electrostats, planers, ribbons etc.
I have another thread going if you would like to comment and I will keep all my questions out of this one.anybody want to chime in on my new thread feel free please.ive never owned or used a power amp other than 30 plus years ago and I remember squat.im so glad I found this site.you guys are awesome!
 
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