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Why so hard on KUBUKI's???

I used to think that a lot of AK'ers just look down on "Kabukies" out of pure attitude, or as a knee jerk reaction to popular opinion with no real scientific basis but their own personal bias, but after reading this thread I am absolutely convinced of it.

As noted, I'm not around much anymore, and this thread is ancient, but in the interests of avoiding accusations of attitude, I think that Kabuki speakers arose from the idea that you could divide the frequency range into many small segments, and cover each with one or more cheap drivers that were flat only in their range, rather than use a much more costly driver with a broader range. Then you could add more drivers to get dispersion. What gets ignored is interference effects and soundstaging, and for cost reasons, cabinet quality and size. At the time, Thiel-Small and similar calculations, and the computational power needed for them, didn't exist as a practical matter. Engineers were much more guessing, and the marketing department had a lot of influence. When they noted that a lot of drivers tended to sell more speakers, many Kabuki products were the result. They looked a lot more impressive than the British speakers that actually sounded better, and since most people didn't know what hi-fi should sound like, they sold better as well, as they looked like a lot of bang for the buck. I guess "Kabuki" is a somewhat degrading reference to this unfortunate combination of historical circumstances. I lived through this era, so this is just based on my impressions from the time, not on any scholarly research. At my age, those impressions are from 40 years ago, so caveat emptor.
 
As noted, I'm not around much anymore, and this thread is ancient, but in the interests of avoiding accusations of attitude, I think that Kabuki speakers arose from the idea that you could divide the frequency range into many small segments, and cover each with one or more cheap drivers that were flat only in their range, rather than use a much more costly driver with a broader range. Then you could add more drivers to get dispersion. What gets ignored is interference effects and soundstaging, and for cost reasons, cabinet quality and size. At the time, Thiel-Small and similar calculations, and the computational power needed for them, didn't exist as a practical matter. Engineers were much more guessing, and the marketing department had a lot of influence. When they noted that a lot of drivers tended to sell more speakers, many Kabuki products were the result. They looked a lot more impressive than the British speakers that actually sounded better, and since most people didn't know what hi-fi should sound like, they sold better as well, as they looked like a lot of bang for the buck. I guess "Kabuki" is a somewhat degrading reference to this unfortunate combination of historical circumstances. I lived through this era, so this is just based on my impressions from the time, not on any scholarly research. At my age, those impressions are from 40 years ago, so caveat emptor.

Interesting take. But once again everything Kabuki is getting lumped into the same "cheap" basket of eggs. Im sure that plenty of them deserve to fall into that category, but all of them? I dont think so. If the crossovers are well designed and drivers are well selected, why should there be interference? There are loads of midrange drivers that will cover a much wider frequency range then they are employed to in a three or even two way system. Are they overlapping and unnecessarily splitting frequencies up into segments as well?

Kabukis sold in the 70's and dont sell now because they were in vogue then, they arent anymore. Bookshelf speakers, subwoofers and line arrays sell now. But that doesnt mean that they are all superior to everything Kabuki. Not by a long shot. It is just what sells in the current market. Bean counters still abound, probably more so now than ever.
I swear, this thread reminds me of the allegory of the cave. Or the Star Trek episode where Jean Luke Picards captors make him believe that he is looking at 4 lights when he is actually looking at 5. "Yes! Thats right people, cheap black vinyl over thin particle board is acoustically superior to thick laminated walnut cabinets". Hear it enough and you might even start to believe it. o_O

You want to see cheap speakers, take a look at the truck loads of garbage that was mass produced in the 80's and 90's. Bleh!
 
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Interesting take. But once again everything Kabuki is getting lumped into the same "cheap" basket of eggs. Im sure that plenty of them deserve to fall into that category, but all of them? I dont think so. If the crossovers are well designed and drivers are well selected, why should there be interference? There are loads of midrange drivers that will cover a much wider frequency range then they are employed to in a three or even two way system. Are they overlapping and unnecessarily splitting frequencies up into segments as well?

Kabukis sold in the 70's and dont sell now because they were in vogue then, they arent anymore. Bookshelf speakers, subwoofers and line arrays sell now. But that doesnt mean that they are all superior to everything Kabuki. Not by a long shot. It is just what sells in the current market. Bean counters still abound, probably more so now than ever.
I swear, this thread reminds me of the allegory of the cave. Or the Star Trek episode where Jean Luke Picards captors make him believe that he is looking at 4 lights when he is actually looking at 5. "Yes! Thats right people, cheap black vinyl over thin particle board is acoustically superior to thick laminated walnut cabinets". Hear it enough and you might even start to believe it. o_O

You want to see cheap speakers, take a look at the truck loads of garbage that was mass produced in the 80's and 90's. Bleh!

I don't think he is referring to "all speakers" in any category, "kabuki" or not. No, not all subwoofer and bookshelf speaker combos are going to be good, no not all line arrays are going to be superior. It depends on the engineering and the overall design. There are also many examples of multiple driver speakers that are absolutely phenomenal. The majority of kabuki speakers do not fall into that category. Not all, but the majority of them.

And so what if thick laminated walnut cabinets are better than cheap black particle board? Good looks will not always equal good sound. If the size of the cabinet isn't a good match to the parameters of the woofer (as most Kabuki cabinets), then you end up with a rather large midbass hump and little to no deep bass. No, not all kabuki speakers are like that, but most are. My Advent 4002's have cheap vinyl covered cabinets, but the bass is deep and tight, unlike most (again, not all) kabuki speakers.

And it's Jean Luc Picard...
 
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