That's not the reasoning behind the use of better power cables. Back to Anaiysis....
why some spend $$$$$$$ on their systems
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Patch-Cord
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Well it's good to know your background. However... you say: "If you did that with expensive power cables..."
I guess now I should ask if you have actually done that with a varying price/design range of any type of audio cables? Be it power cords or interconnects,,, or whatever. What needs to be measure is the combination of LCR... called reactance.
IME High capacitance cables do affect the sound imparted on individual components, or an entire system. If you don't believe me... try this experiment.
Acquire a few pairs of IC's. Some with low capacitance and some with high capacitance, ranging from 50pf/ meter to 200pf/meter. Then take a turntable setup, and phono preamp, however you prefer, and use that for your baseline. Then swap the IC's between the turtable and phono preamp. You really should be able to hear a difference between the 50pf/meter cable, and the 200pf/meter cable. The "tone" will change, and so will the "soundstage"... coming through the speakers.
Take this for what it's worth,,, and if you try it, report back.
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Patch-Cord
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"And the beat goes on".... 
strat10
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I can't spend their money and they can't spend mine and if they can afford to spend 30,000 on stereo gear good for them I'm happy with what I have and how it sounds to my ears and in the end that's all that matters!:yes:
Patch-Cord
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well put. ^^^^^^
Superampman
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I'm unimpressed by just about all JBL products. However, TNT amps from Acoustat are among my favorites.
I brought up actually building speakers because invariably with these discussions someone says (in this case you) "I can best that for "X" dollars less". For one reason or another they never do.
The thing I notice in lots of threads here and elsewhere, invariably someone (in this case you) decides to decipher or interpret what someone else (in this case , me) has said. Why don't you just officially reinvent the English language? I didn't say or insinuate any such thing. What I did was make a comparison. A verifiable one, I might add. Google wants to be your friend.
Btw, it was me who brought it up, remember?
racca
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Superampman said:
Care to elaborate? Because based on my pretty good understanding of the English language, you just said that "12,000.00 is sufficient to put together something that will rival anything in the 30-50,000.00 range." Prior to this, you were talking about having things custom built, which implies you were referring to DIY.
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chef free
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I went to the local high end stereo store last week and listened to a master disc recording of Yes' Fragile on some $1000 turntable with a $1,500 cart, through a pair of B&W 800 driven by a pair of McIntosh 1.2k monoblocs.
Yes, it sounded so freaking good! I was forced to hear the nylon strings on Mood for a Day. I have always known the Steve Howe must have used a classical guitar for that piece but this was like he sitting in front of me!
What I'm after is that "holographic" vision of musicians in the room with me, and it ain't cheap!
Yes, it sounded so freaking good! I was forced to hear the nylon strings on Mood for a Day. I have always known the Steve Howe must have used a classical guitar for that piece but this was like he sitting in front of me!
What I'm after is that "holographic" vision of musicians in the room with me, and it ain't cheap!
Patch-Cord
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Superampman
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just dave
vintage rules!
We're having a discussion about a topic.I think it's foolish to spend huge sums of money on a stereo,that's my opinion.I don't care if someone spend millions on there rig.The OP asked the question.
Actually, the OP didn't ask the question. He just reprinted a little blurb from a guy talking about how much he spent. The next several pages were mostly posts from guys upset that somebody would spend more that they thought somebody should. That's consternation.
Superampman
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Okay, let's see...constituent..constituency...constipAtion...cOnstipate....Here it is,.. consternation- surprise and alarm, astonishment, dismay. Well I don't know, I think it's closer to constipation imho.
bhunter
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One thing that is undeniable
In today's market it is INCREDIBLE how great the Sound Quality can be per dollar spent than say 30 yrs ago - we should all be happy about that
You're absolutely correct. Guess which side in the great engineering/objectivist/scientific versus subjectivist debate made that happen.
racca
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Um, both? What designer doesn't mix objective testing with subjective listening?
JBL GUY
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Donberry asked in the title of the thread "why some spend $$$$$$$ on their systems" and then posted the quotation.
In answer to the question "why some spend $$$$$$$ on their systems", because they can. They perceive a justifiable improvement in their perception of the sound quality. Or they want to keep up with or out do the Jones or both.
The debate about the price and or the existence of actual price related improvement aside, objectivity versus subjectivity (a different debate), the answer is rather simple.
In this context people do what they do with money because it gives them pleasure (better perceived sound quality and or cosmetics), or because it alleviates pain (the anxiety of the Jones' audio system being better than their audio system).
For some the decision may be rational, this piece of gear must be better because of xyz factors (OK and the price). For some the decision may be emotional, they may be elated by the perceived sound quality and or cosmetics. Or it may be Ego reinforcement, my system is better than the Jones' audio system and or I spent more money.
For some, it may be a mixture of both.
In answer to the question "why some spend $$$$$$$ on their systems", because they can. They perceive a justifiable improvement in their perception of the sound quality. Or they want to keep up with or out do the Jones or both.
The debate about the price and or the existence of actual price related improvement aside, objectivity versus subjectivity (a different debate), the answer is rather simple.
In this context people do what they do with money because it gives them pleasure (better perceived sound quality and or cosmetics), or because it alleviates pain (the anxiety of the Jones' audio system being better than their audio system).
For some the decision may be rational, this piece of gear must be better because of xyz factors (OK and the price). For some the decision may be emotional, they may be elated by the perceived sound quality and or cosmetics. Or it may be Ego reinforcement, my system is better than the Jones' audio system and or I spent more money.
For some, it may be a mixture of both.
bhunter
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That's not my point. The point is that the quality per dollar has increased due to scientific technological advancement. BTW, I'd also argue that you could build a very good sounding amp without necessarily listening, but that's another matter. My problem with the subjectivists is that they assert that anything goes as long as they themselves perceive a difference. Given that our senses can be fooled, it's prudent to treat such claims skeptically.
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