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Wood Glue as Vinyl Cleaner

My take on it is that some crud and gunk is in layers, with the first gluing removing the bulk, and that last little bit being lifted by the second.

I've glued up to three times, and it seems that is the point of diminishing returns.

I only glue the very tough ones twice, once is usually plenty, but I had the same experience on a beat to hell Ray Charles album.

Forever using the glue for my worst lps.
 
Tonight, a hifi shop in Nashua N.H. hosted with reps from NAD, linn, PBS, etc, to demonstrate their new gear which I could never afford. There was a vendor there who owns
'Record Genie", an ultrasonic record cleaning business. He owns 2 german machines and 2 Korean machines. One of the German ultrasonic cleaners was out on warrant repair. I paid roughly $3.00 a record for 6 records to be cleaned. included were Styx "Grand Illusion" MOFI, Pin Floyd - Animals, Meddle, Obscured by clouds, and two copies of Dark Side of the Moon. All were in vg+ shape with minor surface noise. I had gotten the Animals cleaned on a VPI 16.5 when I bought it. To say they sounded better is an understatement. They sounded fabulous and at least 80-90 % quieter. They looked better too. The gloss was so much shinier and blemishes seemed to have faded...Meddle looked like it had never had a needle drop. If it were not gfor the price, I would have my whole collection done. I will pick out my favorites and more valuable lp's and get them done slowly, maybe 10 a month or more if he does quantity discounts. The Ultrasonic machines were about $4000.00 each. He also had a $2500.00 demagnetizing machine. I think it was a combo of the ultrasonic and demagnetizer that made these records like almost new again.
 
honestabe316 said:
He also had a $2500.00 demagnetizing machine. I think it was a combo of the ultrasonic and demagnetizer that made these records like almost new again.
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For the life of me, why would anyone even need - let alone want - a record demagnetizing machine?? I don't see the need? Or am I missing something here?
 
Vinylmasters said:
For the life of me, why would anyone even need - let alone want - a record demagnetizing machine?? I don't see the need? Or am I missing something here?
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Google it. There is plenty of information about it.

I've personally never heard any record that has been put through one of those machines. I wouldn't dismiss the idea without a trial of it.
 
theophile said:
Google it. There is plenty of information about it.

I've personally never heard any record that has been put through one of those machines. I wouldn't dismiss the idea without a trial of it.
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It's mainly to reduce static - which a dryer sheet under the platter mat will do anyway (or my old Radio Shack bulk tape eraser?). I just couldn't justify $2500 for something that isn't even needed after an Ultrasonic cleaning anyway. It, well, just sounds crazy. :banana:
 
Lol...sorry...it was a long day....it was an anti static machine. It looked like a big chrome turntable platter. He demonstrated it by putting a few pieces of packing popcorn on one of my cleaned lp's and the static made them stick to the lp...then he place the lp on the anti-static machine for a few seconds and repeated the popcorn trial and the pieces fell right off......the proof was in the results. The glue method and this ultrasonic method are the only methods where I have seen such drastic improvements. ...one is a little pricey and one is time consuming but both satisfy my ears
 
I have one record this might be a candidate for. Without re-reading through the entire 130-something pages of this thread, would regular old Elmer's wood glue be acceptable? I do not have a "junk" turntable to make this easier but I don't see any reason why it would be a huge problem, right?
 
Roboturner91 said:
I have one record this might be a candidate for. Without re-reading through the entire 130-something pages of this thread, would regular old Elmer's wood glue be acceptable? I do not have a "junk" turntable to make this easier but I don't see any reason why it would be a huge problem, right?
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Elmer's works, but will be brittle when you remove it, resulting in small pieces of glue being held with static to the record. It is really just a pain to remove...

Otherwise it will clean fine...
 
Lost Monkey said:
Elmer's works, but will be brittle when you remove it, resulting in small pieces of glue being held with static to the record. It is really just a pain to remove...

Otherwise it will clean fine...
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Yes, what Lost Monkey said. Just spring for titebond II, or Aleene's if you REALLY want it to stick. Very hard to remove. Works fantastic tho.
 
OK, I'll get something else then, thanks.

The record in question is a Chet Atkins "It's a Guitar World." Not rare or precious by any means, I just thought it would be a good candidate. If I ruin it, no big deal.
 
Has anyone ever tried thinning the glue with a little water or would that make it less pliable when it dries?


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Roboturner91 said:
OK, I'll get something else then, thanks.

The record in question is a Chet Atkins "It's a Guitar World." Not rare or precious by any means, I just thought it would be a good candidate. If I ruin it, no big deal.
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That's a nice album, and using the Titebond II should produce excellent resuts.

MannyE said:
Has anyone ever tried thinning the glue with a little water or would that make it less pliable when it dries?
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I have two squeeze bottles. One raw Titebond, the other diluted to about 25% filtered/distilled water. I put a bead on runout and another on the lip, and fill the middle with the slightly diluted. Works fine MOST of the time.

Sometimes I get the little crumblies at the runout if I'm not careful using the watered down version. Make sure to use a THICK bead around the runout to prevent this, or simply do not water down.

Plain old scotch tape lifts those crumblies rather nicely.
 
onwardjames said:
That's a nice album, and using the Titebond II should produce excellent resuts.







I have two squeeze bottles. One raw Titebond, the other diluted to about 25% filtered/distilled water. I put a bead on runout and another on the lip, and fill the middle with the slightly diluted. Works fine MOST of the time.



Sometimes I get the little crumblies at the runout if I'm not careful using the watered down version. Make sure to use a THICK bead around the runout to prevent this, or simply do not water down.



Plain old scotch tape lifts those crumblies rather nicely.
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Got it. Thanks! I'll probably do a bunch of experimenting once I get started.


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wood glue against LENCO clean

Just tried the trick with wood glue on a record treatet with lencoclean

I used ordernary wood glue ( Waterbased ) - it takes 24 hours to dry.


It removes everything except the music.

Jeppe (denmark)
 
verner said:
Just tried the trick with wood glue on a record treatet with lencoclean



I used ordernary wood glue ( Waterbased ) - it takes 24 hours to dry.





It removes everything except the music.



Jeppe (denmark)
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Haha. That made me smile. And it's true!


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I had an lp placed on one of these a month or so ago and it did seem to do a decent job but I think the guy said he paid 2500.00 for it...I'll stick with my milty antistat gun for that price....the optical media stuff is bs
 
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