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Wood Glue as Vinyl Cleaner

The reason. We try these unorthodox methods is partly due to. The fact that rcm's are quite expensive. If you think about the concept of a Rcm, it seems that a decent machine could be sold for much less. The motors and vaccuum's cannot be that expensive. You should not have to spend close to a grand for a fully automatic vacuum based vinyl cleaner. Its absurd
 
Im with you on that....I would prefer a "brushless" method as opposed to a method where ghe record is rubbed in any way.....im sure the brushes dont cause any real issues as you are not constantly using them, but I too have been intrigued by the ultrasonic method.
 
onwardjames said:
And then there are ultrasonic cleaners, of which I am VERY interested in.
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I've worked in Operating Theaters. The instruments are cleaned prior to sterilisation and repackaging for re-use after surgery. One of the processes is cleaning in an ultrasonic bath. Please understand that every minute particle has to be removed from the tiniest crevice of every instrument every time all of the time.

Ultrasonic cleaning is used because the result is always dependable. Full stop. Nothing is ever checked under a microscope after ultrasonic cleaning as a precaution. I would assume that is because there is nothing to be seen except the clean instrument. It must be dependable or ultrasonics would not be used in that application.

Have a read about the basics here:

http://www.urmc.rochester.edu/sterile/basics.cfm
 
When you really think about the glue cleaning method, sure it will take off the dust and top layer of crud and even the top portion of the groove, but it will never get it entirely clean. Why? Because the glue is too thick to penetrate the entire groove, unless of course you water it down, but then there is the factor of: When pulling it off, are you really getting all the glue trapped in the groove? and If not.. HOW are you going to get it out?
 
SenileDavid said:
When you really think about the glue cleaning method, sure it will take off the dust and top layer of crud and even the top portion of the groove, but it will never get it entirely clean. Why? Because the glue is too thick to penetrate the entire groove, unless of course you water it down, but then there is the factor of: When pulling it off, are you really getting all the glue trapped in the groove? and If not.. HOW are you going to get it out?
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Proof?
 
SenileDavid said:
When you really think about the glue cleaning method, sure it will take off the dust and top layer of crud and even the top portion of the groove, but it will never get it entirely clean. Why? Because the glue is too thick to penetrate the entire groove, unless of course you water it down, but then there is the factor of: When pulling it off, are you really getting all the glue trapped in the groove? and If not.. HOW are you going to get it out?
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This is easy to prove with a microscope I think.

http://www.jameshedberg.com/lettera/2013/11/23/lp-record-grooves-up-close-and-clean/

I believe the word is: BOOM. :D
 
theophile said:
Manny, as long as your Source component is superb, I'd say go get The Truth.
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Meh. Not really. First generation MMF-5 with a Goldring 1012Gx. Good but not "superb". Soon though. Next year.

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Sent from my galafreyan transdimensional communicator 100 years from now.
 
I would really like to see the gel glue vs the milk paste results under a scope. The gel looks like it's a LOT easier to work with.


Sent from my galafreyan transdimensional communicator 100 years from now.
 
SenileDavid said:
When you really think about the glue cleaning method, sure it will take off the dust and top layer of crud and even the top portion of the groove, but it will never get it entirely clean. Why? Because the glue is too thick to penetrate the entire groove, unless of course you water it down, but then there is the factor of: When pulling it off, are you really getting all the glue trapped in the groove? and If not.. HOW are you going to get it out?
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As this is your second post, you get a free pass on your statement.

Please refer to hundreds of pages of statements concerning Titebond 2 and other types for efficacy.

Seems every 20 pages or so, there is a doubter. :rolleyes:
 
Where does glue really need to be?

onwardjames said:
As this is your second post, you get a free pass on your statement.

Please refer to hundreds of pages of statements concerning Titebond 2 and other types for efficacy.

Seems every 20 pages or so, there is a doubter. :rolleyes:
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LOL! But he does make a good point.
I sacrificed a carbon fiber brush to brush the glue deep into the grooves, brushing the glue in on a high-torque platter (another use for my VPI 16.5). Of course, completely rinse out the brush immediately after each use.
The question is, how can you get a groove completely clean all the way to the bottom? I don't think that matters. The stylus is not triangular and does not reach all the way down to the bottom of the groove - it only gets vibration from the sides of the groove.

And yes I may be guilty of stating what I should have already read!

However, as I think someone else asked, has anyone ever electron-microscoped a record groove before and after glue cleaning? And factually determined exactly what part of the groove really needs to be cleaned? Exactly what part of the inside of the groove does the stylus actually touch?
 
Stubborn sticky stuff on the lead-out

Here is a weird one.

A stubborn stickiness started occurring on the lead out of my records, which caused a real problem for my stylus at the end of the record side, and effectively ruined the records. This was when I started cleaning with glue, and after I got a record weight. When I peeled off the glue, everything came out fine, except at the lead-out. I thought at first the glue was sticking to the smooth part of the vinyl but not at the grooves, and that this was a downside of cleaning with glue, so I stopped doing it for a while, until I noticed it as happening without glue cleaning. This was driving me nuts for a while.

Eventually I figured out what was really going on. What I didn't realize is that the sticky stuff that wouldn't come off was from my platter mat that had a semi-sticky surface, and was recessed under the label area so that under the label there was no stickiness. That also started happening when I bought a record weight, which was about the same time I started glue-cleaning records. The weight was pressing the vinyl more into the mat at the label and lead-out, so the edge of the stickiness at the lead-out was pressing that mat stickiness into the lead-out and sticky stuff was coming off the mat and onto the lead-out. And this mat sticky stuff is a totally different animal than the cleaning glue. It probably had to do with the sticky record mat getting old and the sticky substance was breaking down and I didn't realize it. As I said, unfortunately this was about the same time I started cleaning with glue, the stickiness was on the lead-out and I didn't know it.

I got rid of that old mat and the stickiness on the lead-out stopped.

Be careful of record mats that feel sticky, and using a record weight with them.

As I said, weird.
 
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