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Wood Glue as Vinyl Cleaner

Who would have thunk a thread dedicated to pouring glue on lp's would have taken such a perverse twist? Was it inevitable?
 
honestabe316 said:
Who would have thunk a thread dedicated to pouring glue on lp's would have taken such a perverse twist? Was it inevitable?
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With THIS bunch of 8-Balls, Yahoos, Nincompoops, ANYTHING'S possible...And LIKELY... But most of wouldn't have it any other way... (grin)
 
Pappas3278 said:
Funny, 'cause that's exactly what Titebond II does. Easy to peel, no marks, etc. Glad you found something equal to it.
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That's not our (I know Tallman5353 from another audio forum) experience with Titebond II over here (which we get at a major hardware store, imported from you Yanks).
Titebond II is harder to apply, and does not come off as well, leaving little bits behind in some cases.
I would also argue that to these ears, this other gel glue does a better job on all records I've tried it with.

We've tried both, side by side, and that's our experience.

YMMV.

If the damn postage wasn't so exxy, I'd send you a bottle gratis (it's only $2.50 a pop here).
 
candyflip said:
If the damn postage wasn't so exxy, I'd send you a bottle gratis (it's only $2.50 a pop here).
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It's available on US eBay and other places that showed up on that Google search that I linked in a previous post.
 
Theophile, perhaps I didn't peruse the entire link you posted, but what I found was a bottle for less than 3 bucks, but 18 dollars shipping.

I don't understand the comments stating problems with Titebond II. I just glued a Buddy Rich album I had given up on, and it came off in one piece, with the results being ridiculously good.

Hmm. Maybe slightly different formulas, atmospheric conditions..??
 
The one time I glued an album (eric Burton & animals), it produced amazing results...like 99% improvement. ...but I did have little pieces of glue stuck here and there...they werent in the grooves but me being moderately ocd, it bugged the **** outta me
 
I really think that's due to being spread too thin. I always apply liberally, and only experienced that when I went too thin. Best of luck.
 
I seem to remember about 50 pages back someone talking about an American produced gel glue (Elmers Craft perhaps?) that probably does a similar job to this one? I'd investigate that perhaps for you State-siders.

Advantages over Titebond II include: Drys very fast compared to woodglue, 2 hours instead of 10 hours in an 18C winter house with a fan on it. Peels off perfectly, with stretchy "facemask" feel, closer to RecRev than Titebond's harder feel. Absolutely no residue or stringy bits. Also uses a lot less to cover a record compared to Titebond, 20ml vs 40ml, which I/we believe aids the drying speed. You can certainly go thicker, but we're not sure that it makes any difference to the end product.

But mostly, it's definitely giving me better results than Titebond II does in sound quality. My records clearly sound better than the ones glued with Titebond. Simple as that.

Again, YMMV and if Titebond is doing it for you, all power to you.
 
candyflip said:
I seem to remember about 50 pages back someone talking about an American produced gel glue (Elmers Craft perhaps?) that probably does a similar job to this one? I'd investigate that perhaps for you State-siders.

Advantages over Titebond II include: Drys very fast compared to woodglue, 2 hours instead of 10 hours in an 18C winter house with a fan on it. Peels off perfectly, with stretchy "facemask" feel, closer to RecRev than Titebond's harder feel. Absolutely no residue or stringy bits. Also uses a lot less to cover a record compared to Titebond, 20ml vs 40ml, which I/we believe aids the drying speed. You can certainly go thicker, but we're not sure that it makes any difference to the end product.

But mostly, it's definitely giving me better results than Titebond II does in sound quality. My records clearly sound better than the ones glued with Titebond. Simple as that.

Again, YMMV and if Titebond is doing it for you, all power to you.
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Was it this one?

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candyflip, if I could find it here, I'd surely use it.

The aleene's I reserve for hard case jobs, because it is nearly impossible to remove due to its surface tension gripping power. I've nearly broken records in two trying to remove it, but it isn't prone to ripping. Very stretchy, great stuff, but I only use it in the toughest cases.
 
theophile said:
Was it this one?

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Nope - it was this one, from Page 36.

hrgiger said:
I think I have found what we have been looking for! I was at the store the other day and they had school supplies out in the open and I walked past a bottle of Elmer's "School Glue Gel." So I picked up a bottle.

I checked online and it is said to be a PVA glue, non-toxic so kids can eat it. Just seems to have more alcohol or water which makes it spread nicely and best of all - dry quicker!

I have used it on 2 albums so far and I was able to peel it off in one nice piece in only 1:30!!!!!! One hour 30 minutes!

It comes of in a really thin sheet almost like saran wrap! Anyway all I did was set it in front of a fan to aid drying time.

I made a youtube clip of the whole process:



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candyflip said:
...But mostly, it's definitely giving me better results than Titebond II does in sound quality. My records clearly sound better than the ones glued with Titebond. Simple as that.

Again, YMMV and if Titebond is doing it for you, all power to you.
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And I would say the same to you with regards to the product you're pitching.

We're all glad that you found something that works for you and it's great that there is, potentially, another product available for this type of application. But you're going against a glue that has been tried-and-true for so many. And frankly the way you describe your experience with Titebond II is counter to what I, and if I may, many others here have experienced after many, many uses.

It doesn't take ten hours to dry, especially with a fan on it (more like one hour). And if it flakes or splits on you during a peal, then I'm gonna have to chalk that up to user-error. Simple as that.
 
candyflip said:
I seem to remember about 50 pages back someone talking about an American produced gel glue (Elmers Craft perhaps?) that probably does a similar job to this one? I'd investigate that perhaps for you State-siders.

Advantages over Titebond II include: Drys very fast compared to woodglue, 2 hours instead of 10 hours in an 18C winter house with a fan on it. Peels off perfectly, with stretchy "facemask" feel, closer to RecRev than Titebond's harder feel. Absolutely no residue or stringy bits. Also uses a lot less to cover a record compared to Titebond, 20ml vs 40ml, which I/we believe aids the drying speed. You can certainly go thicker, but we're not sure that it makes any difference to the end product.

But mostly, it's definitely giving me better results than Titebond II does in sound quality. My records clearly sound better than the ones glued with Titebond. Simple as that.

Again, YMMV and if Titebond is doing it for you, all power to you.
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You are making me wonder if Titebond II sold in Australia is a different formulation than what is sold in the USA. I have never experienced the negative effects that you have described with Titebond II.

The "stringy bits" are not because of the product, but are due to the application. When smoothing out the glue, if there is a separation (i.e. vinyl land) at the edge of the record, you will get strings on the edge. This can happen quite easily if you are using a card to smooth out the glue.

I would like to try the gel products, but I find the Titebond II is quite economical in gallons and don't have a problem with its performance.
 
This stuff is great ! peels off perfect,non toxic drys fast,looks just like record revirginizer when laid on & only $2! I've been using it the last few days with great results.Just don't get it on the labels.It would be the same as the "Elmers" above.IMO.


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