honestabe316
Oh Chief! - Jane Hathaway
I have seen the ocassional silverfish over the years. I was not aware that vinyl was a "pooping ground" for the little buggers.. 
Wood Glue as Vinyl Cleaner
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I have seen the ocassional silverfish over the years. I was not aware that vinyl was a "pooping ground" for the little buggers..
If there are silverfish, like mice, there is poop.
I'm going to try what was posted in the scrubbing bubbles thread, putting it on an album and letting it sit for 20 minutes or so. Perhaps I'm being too quick to rinse off.
honestabe316
Oh Chief! - Jane Hathaway
I probably dint let it sit long enough....my inner voice of reason makes me anxious leaving it on for more than a minute or two....
cleverdick
Active Member
OK, what is this "Scrubbing Bubbles"? Not sure if it's a mainstream product in UK. A quick Google shows a whole variety of products with that brand name, so which one are we talking about?
I've recently been asked to do a few vinyl-CD transfers for a friend. One of them was a well-worn 7" of "Blame It on the Boogie". Four gluings later, no improvement whatsoever in surface noise. Looking at the waveform in Audition, there were small spikes predominantly on the left channel - but what I don't understand is how these spikes - suggestive of debris in the groove - can be due to wear caused by uneven side pressure. Maybe they're somehow bedded into the sidewall?
I've recently been asked to do a few vinyl-CD transfers for a friend. One of them was a well-worn 7" of "Blame It on the Boogie". Four gluings later, no improvement whatsoever in surface noise. Looking at the waveform in Audition, there were small spikes predominantly on the left channel - but what I don't understand is how these spikes - suggestive of debris in the groove - can be due to wear caused by uneven side pressure. Maybe they're somehow bedded into the sidewall?
There's your answer. It's probably been plowed with a quarter on the headshell for far too long. And being a 7'', perhaps it is not of the usual vinyl composition?
Just use your software as best as you are able to correct it. Glue can't fix damage. I've run into this myself, most notably on an old Frank Zappa album, and Song Remains the Same soundtrack. Is there a good copy of that LZ album ANYWHERE??
honestabe316
Oh Chief! - Jane Hathaway
Scrubbing bubbles is a foam bathroom cleaner....its in an aerosol can and cheap. Its been around in u.s.a. for years...you spray it and the foam expands and fizzles....I think if I get brave enough to leave it on for more than two mins, it might do a great job. I think the hard debris in the grooves just needs time to absorb the liquid and soften to the point where it brushes or rinse away freely.I bought the original formula
cleverdick
Active Member
Ah, OK....
I know of one that does that - it's called Power Force which you can get from Aldi. It contains a descaler as well, which I presume won't affect the vinyl?
I've given the offending disc back to its owner; the best I could do was to route the right channel to both, apply a bit of de-hiss and run through a low-pass filter, then add a small amount of reverb to make it sound stereo-ish. It's passable in context.
SaSi
Seriously Illogical
While I had very good results with wood glue - meaning that any old methods like brushes, pads, etc seemed a waste in comparison - I have a record that was so scratchy, the only way to listen to it was digitize it and process to remove clicks and pops using so heavy settings that they took the life out of bass, horns and drums.
One pass through the ultrasonic bath removed all that to an amazing level.
SaSi, where did you get access to an ultrasonic cleaner? Please elaborate, because you've been a glue fan for awhile, would love to hear more.
Just an update to my process. I've found that pushing the glue all the way to the edge of the record helps in peeling it off. It gives you better "access" to the edge of the glue. I use two 10-inch cardboard circles underneath the record. Any glue that drips over to the other side is usually minimal and very easy to peel off.
Need some help on this somewhat serious issue. On many of my wood glue cleanings, after peeling it off, I get a few very small, thin bands of glue that don't come off. This typically happens at the inside edge of the glue near the end of the groove (towards the label). This tiny amount of glue is very difficult to remove. I tried 91% alcohol and a q-tip, but all that seemed to do is spread the glue around. My Discwasher wouldn't take it off either.
Anyone else have this problem?
Anyone else have this problem?
slpcorner
AudioPhan - On the Cheap
I always try to make sure I've got a nice "bead" all the wayaround the inner edge. This allows the glue to come up clean and leave no wispy thin trails like you're experiencing.
Early on - before using the method above - I'd get those same thin bands, I usually was able to get them up and removed by just using my finger to gently rub "across the grain" and get a bit of it to come up... then peel the rest once I had a bit to grab on to ... it took several attempts to get it all. This was time consuming and frustrating.
Just reglue, and this time, go heavier. Also, what slpcorner said. I've used scotch tape to lift some pieces, but it if is really bound to the record, you'll have to reglue.
slpcorner
AudioPhan - On the Cheap
Geez I've read the re-glue thing here several times and it makes so much
sense... but I've never actually gotten around to it on the few that need it.
Sadly, all the vinyl is in storage at the moment - but as soon as we
get into a house again, I'll celebrate with a re-glue weekend.
Thanks for the reminder.
slpcorner
AudioPhan - On the Cheap
You'll get several opinions on that... but my take is that as long as there is NO YELLOW at all... then it's ok to peel.
(for clarification I mean that all of the glue has become transparent. When you peel up the dried glue it will still have a sort of translucent golden look to it, if you're using TBII)
Also I would avoid letting the glue cure too long once it's dried. As in days... Just my .02, but we'll see what the rest of the Glue Ilk says.
OH! Also - i just noticed this was your first post - Welcome to AK!
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fortycoats
Super Member
Hi, I'm Barry Scott. Cillit Bang your records! (UK joke.)
honestabe316
Oh Chief! - Jane Hathaway
Cillit bang 4x for a really good time....
Once glue is completely translucent, go ahead.
If any semi-wet is exposed and remains, allow it to dry for 30 minutes longer or so, and then use packing tape to lift and remove.
If any semi-wet is exposed and remains, allow it to dry for 30 minutes longer or so, and then use packing tape to lift and remove.
Ed in Tx
Super Member
I have done it both ways using Titebond II. Now I let it cure about 6-8 hours after it turns clear, basically overnight. What I found was, peeling right away after it turned clear, in 2 or 3 hours, left a residue down in the groove which would build up on the stylus on the first play or two, or three. Letting it thoroughly cure down into the depth of the groove works much better for me. Re-gluing and letting it cure overnight removed the residue from those records I had problems with after the 2-3 hour early peel. So no loss.