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Would you be as enthusiastic about the audio hobby if streaming disappeared?

I don't regret a single motorcycle tire, not even the BRAND SPANKING NEW Pilot road 4s that I destroyed when I hit a chunk of firewood in the road at 80, flying through the air with the greatest of ease.
stuck the landing, rode the wobbly bitch tl she stopped looked at the two taco'd rims and thanked DoG I'd bought good rubber and had replaced the suspension

nope.

don't regret a single tire.

but I hate battleaxes.

oh, wait, this the love/hate fest over streaming, sorry.

Carry on.


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There are some things nobody needs in this world, and a bright-red, hunch-back, warp-speed 900cc cafe racer is one of them - but I want one anyway, and on some days I actually believe I need one. That is why they are dangerous.

Everybody has fast motorcycles these days. Some people go 150 miles an hour on two-lane blacktop roads, but not often. There are too many oncoming trucks and too many radar cops and too many stupid animals in the way. You have to be a little crazy to ride these super-torque high-speed crotch rockets anywhere except a racetrack - and even there, they will scare the whimpering **** out of you... There is, after all, not a pig's eye worth of difference between going head-on into a Peterbilt or sideways into the bleachers. On some days you get what you want, and on others, you get what you need.

When Cycle World called me to ask if I would road-test the new Harley Road King, I got uppity and said I'd rather have a Ducati superbike. It seemed like a chic decision at the time, and my friends on the superbike circuit got very excited. "Hot damn," they said. "We will take it to the track and blow the bastards away."

"Balls," I said. "Never mind the track. The track is for punks. We are Road People. We are Cafe Racers."

The Cafe Racer is a different breed, and we have our own situations. Pure speed in sixth gear on a 5000-foot straightaway is one thing, but pure speed in third gear on a gravel-strewn downhill ess-turn is quite another.

But we like it. A thoroughbred Cafe Racer will ride all night through a fog storm in freeway traffic to put himself into what somebody told him was the ugliest and tightest decreasing-radius turn since Genghis Khan invented the corkscrew.

Cafe Racing is mainly a matter of taste. It is an atavistic mentality, a peculiar mix of low style, high speed, pure dumbness, and overweening commitment to the Cafe Life and all its dangerous pleasures... I am a Cafe Racer myself, on some days - and it is one of my finest addictions.

I am not without scars on my brain and my body, but I can live with them. I still feel a shudder in my spine every time I see a picture of a Vincent Black Shadow, or when I walk into a public restroom and hear crippled men whispering about the terrifying Kawasaki Triple... I have visions of compound femur-fractures and large black men in white hospital suits holding me down on a gurney while a nurse called "Bess" sews the flaps of my scalp together with a stitching drill.


Ho, ho. Thank God for these flashbacks. The brain is such a wonderful instrument (until God sinks his teeth into it). Some people hear Tiny Tim singing when they go under, and some others hear the song of the Sausage Creature.

When the Ducati turned up in my driveway, nobody knew what to do with it. I was in New York, covering a polo tournament, and people had threatened my life. My lawyer said I should give myself up and enroll in the Federal Witness Protection Program. Other people said it had something to do with the polo crowd.

The motorcycle business was the last straw. It had to be the work of my enemies, or people who wanted to hurt me. It was the vilest kind of bait, and they knew I would go for it.

Of course. You want to cripple the bastard? Send him a 130-mph cafe-racer. And include some license plates, he'll think it's a streetbike. He's queer for anything fast.

Which is true. I have been a connoisseur of fast motorcycles all my life. I bought a brand-new 650 BSA Lightning when it was billed as "the fastest motorcycle ever tested by Hot Rod magazine." I have ridden a 500-pound Vincent through traffic on the Ventura Freeway with burning oil on my legs and run the Kawa 750 Triple through Beverly Hills at night with a head full of acid... I have ridden with Sonny Barger and smoked weed in biker bars with Jack Nicholson, Grace Slick, Ron Zigler and my infamous old friend, Ken Kesey, a legendary Cafe Racer.

Some people will tell you that slow is good - and it may be, on some days - but I am here to tell you that fast is better. I've always believed this, in spite of the trouble it's caused me. Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba....

So when I got back from New York and found a fiery red rocket-style bike in my garage, I realized I was back in the road-testing business.

The brand-new Ducati 900 Campione del Mundo Desmodue Supersport double-barreled magnum Cafe Racer filled me with feelings of lust every time I looked at it. Others felt the same way. My garage quickly became a magnet for drooling superbike groupies. They quarreled and bitched at each other about who would be the first to help me evaluate my new toy... And I did, of course, need a certain spectrum of opinions, besides my own, to properly judge this motorcycle. The Woody Creek Perverse Environmental Testing Facility is a long way from Daytona or even top-fuel challenge-sprints on the Pacific Coast Highway, where teams of big-bore Kawasakis and Yamahas are said to race head-on against each other in death-defying games of "chicken" at 100 miles an hour....

No. Not everybody who buys a high-dollar torque-brute yearns to go out in a ball of fire on a public street in L.A. Some of us are decent people who want to stay out of the emergency room, but still blast through neo-gridlock traffic in residential districts whenever we feel like it... For that we need Fine Machinery.

Which we had - no doubt about that. The Ducati people in New Jersey had opted, for some reasons of their own, to send me the 900ss-sp for testing - rather than their 916 crazy-fast, state-of-the-art superbike track-racer. It was far too fast, they said - and prohibitively expensive - to farm out for testing to a gang of half-mad Colorado cowboys who think they're world-class Cafe Racers.

The Ducati 900 is a finely engineered machine. My neighbors called it beautiful and admired its racing lines. The nasty little bugger looked like it was going 90 miles an hour when it was standing still in my garage.

Taking it on the road, though, was a genuinely terrifying experience. I had no sense of speed until I was going 90 and coming up fast on a bunch of pickup trucks going into a wet curve along the river. I went for both brakes, but only the front one worked, and I almost went end over end. I was out of control staring at the tailpipe of a U.S. Mail truck, still stabbing frantically at my rear brake pedal, which I just couldn't find... I am too tall for these new-age roadracers; they are not built for any rider taller than five-nine, and the rearset brake pedal was not where I thought it would be. Mid-size Italian pimps who like to race from one cafe to another on the boulevards of Rome in a flat-line prone position might like this, but I do not.

I was hunched over the tank like a person diving into a pool that got emptied yesterday. Whacko! Bashed on the concrete bottom, flesh ripped off, a Sausage Creature with no teeth, ****ed-up for the rest of its life.

We all love Torque, and some of us have taken it straight over the high side from time to time - and there is always Pain in that... But there is also Fun, the deadly element, and Fun is what you get when you screw this monster on. BOOM! Instant take-off, no screeching or squawking around like a fool with your teeth clamping down on our tongue and your mind completely empty of everything but fear.

No. This bugger digs right in and shoots you straight down the pipe, for good or ill.

On my first take-off, I hit second gear and went through the speed limit on a two-lane blacktop highway full of ranch traffic. By the time I went up to third, I was going 75 and the tach was barely above 4000 rpm....

And that's when it got its second wind. From 4000 to 6000 in third will take you from 75 mph to 95 in two seconds - and after that, Bubba, you still have fourth, fifth, and sixth. Ho, ho.

I never got to sixth gear, and I didn't get deep into fifth. This is a shameful admission for a full-bore Cafe Racer, but let me tell you something, old sport: This motorcycle is simply too goddamn fast to ride at speed in any kind of normal road traffic unless you're ready to go straight down the centerline with your nuts on fire and a silent scream in your throat.

When aimed in the right direction at high speed, though, it has unnatural capabilities. This I unwittingly discovered as I made my approach to a sharp turn across some railroad tracks, saw that I was going way too fast and that my only chance was to veer right and screw it on totally, in a desperate attempt to leapfrog the curve by going airborne.

It was a bold and reckless move, but it was necessary. And it worked: I felt like Evel Knievel as I soared across the tracks with the rain in my eyes and my jaws clamped together in fear. I tried to spit down on the tracks as I passed them, but my mouth was too dry... I landed hard on the edge of the road and lost my grip for a moment as the Ducati began fishtailing crazily into oncoming traffic. For two or three seconds I came face to face with the Sausage Creature....

But somehow the brute straightened out. I passed a schoolbus on the right and got the bike under control long enough to gear down and pull off into an abandoned gravel driveway where I stopped and turned off the engine. My hands had seized up like claws and the rest of my body was numb. I felt nauseous and I cried for my mama, but nobody heard, then I went into a trance for 30 or 40 seconds until I was finally able to light a cigarette and calm down enough to ride home. I was too hysterical to shift gears, so I went the whole way in first at 40 miles an hour.

Whoops! What am I saying? Tall stories, ho, ho... We are motorcycle people; we walk tall and we laugh at whatever's funny. We **** on the chests of the Weird....

But when we ride very fast motorcycles, we ride with immaculate sanity. We might abuse a substance here and there, but only when it's right. The final measure of any rider's skill is the inverse ratio of his preferred Traveling Speed to the number of bad scars on his body. It is that simple: If you ride fast and crash, you are a bad rider. And if you are a bad rider, you should not ride motorcycles.

The emergence of the superbike has heightened this equation drastically. Motorcycle technology has made such a great leap forward. Take the Ducati. You want optimum cruising speed on this bugger? Try 90mph in fifth at 5500 rpm - and just then, you see a bull moose in the middle of the road. WHACKO. Meet the Sausage Creature.

Or maybe not: The Ducati 900 is so finely engineered and balanced and torqued that you *can* do 90 mph in fifth through a 35-mph zone and get away with it. The bike is not just fast - it is *extremely* quick and responsive, and it *will* do amazing things... It is like riding a Vincent Black Shadow, which would outrun an F-86 jet fighter on the take-off runway, but at the end, the F-86 would go airborne and the Vincent would not, and there was no point in trying to turn it. WHAMO! The Sausage Creature strikes again.

There is a fundamental difference, however, between the old Vincents and the new breed of superbikes. If you rode the Black Shadow at top speed for any length of time, you would almost certainly die. That is why there are not many life members of the Vincent Black Shadow Society. The Vincent was like a bullet that went straight; the Ducati is like the magic bullet in Dallas that went sideways and hit JFK and the Governor of Texas at the same time.

It was impossible. But so was my terrifying sideways leap across the railroad tracks on the 900sp. The bike did it easily with the grace of a fleeing tomcat. The landing was so easy I remember thinking, goddamnit, if I had screwed it on a little more I could have gone a lot farther.

Maybe this is the new Cafe Racer macho. My bike is so much faster than yours that I dare you to ride it, you lame little turd. Do you have the balls to ride this BOTTOMLESS PIT OF TORQUE?

That is the attitude of the new-age superbike freak, and I am one of them. On some days they are about the most fun you can have with your clothes on. The Vincent just killed you a lot faster than a superbike will. A fool couldn't ride the Vincent Black Shadow more than once, but a fool can ride a Ducati 900 many times, and it will always be a bloodcurdling kind of fun. That is the Curse of Speed which has plagued me all my life. I am a slave to it. On my tombstone they will carve, "IT NEVER GOT FAST ENOUGH FOR ME."

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A post for the ages ... and rival to even the legendary Arkay.
 
We are already seeing streamers as cheap as CD players. I picked up a WiiM Mini for $80 during Amazon Prime Day sale. It works with Apple AirPlay, Spotify, Tidal, qobuz and Amazon HD. Not as versatile as my $500 Node 2i but can play at a resolution of 24/126 whereas CDP's top out at 16/44.1.
 
I'm pretty sure streaming, as it is generally understood (including here), refers to over the internet from one of the sources that provide it, especially companies like Spotify, Tidal, Amazon etc., but also internet radio stations I believe. Playing your own digital music files on your own system, even if it's a small local network, would not qualify I would think.

Certainly in the context of this thread, streaming refers to the use of streaming services.

However, the generally accepted and generally understood definition of streaming - like it or not - would indeed include playing digital files over a network.

From post #488:

Leaving aside the technical fine points, streaming = continuous, real-time transmission of audio/video content over a computer network.
 
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That might be what tech-heads like yourself define it as but I kind of think that the big majority of people who get involved with it think of it as always coming over the internet, and as you said that's the real issue here. It's really all about whether you prefer to listen to stuff that you own, whatever format that might be, versus being fine with the music you listen to being ultimately controlled by an outside source (like radio has been for decades), or else a happy medium somewhere between those two ends.
 
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I listen to Spotify 8+hours daily.

I like to listen to albums at home as well but I work in a kitchen so there goes your physical media option.

I'm apparently not crusty and old enough to be on this site; I tired of the "I've never streamed" comments as if we were discussing masturbation on oh, page 3.

Whatever.


Matt
 
Yep. He's got an incredible voice, a lot of his music has really interesting harmonic and melodic construction, and he has great players perform with him. Forget his "hits," although even some of those had some of those qualities. Check out, in addition to "Yonder Tree" which is the one I listen to most frequently these days, "Gist of the Gemini," "Pauper in Paradise," "Storm at Sunup," and "Crazy Life" as good example albums of the type of Gino's work I enjoy.

Big Gino fan here. Drove to Montreal to see him perform and he did not disappoint.

In the early 70's I had a PL-10 turntable connected to a Radio Shack magnetic phono preamp and a console tube amp pull. I was discovering how good music could actually "sound" and not just be some tune heard on the radio. I had started playing drums and had many common albums, Zep II, Yes Fragile and Kansas Leftoverture come to mind, but hearing People Gotta Move was a game changer. Not that song so much, but more after buying the Powerful People LP with my hard earned allowance and experiencing dynamics and complex arrangements I soon grew an appreciaton for well engineered recordings.

if you've never heard Gino here's from his second A&M album.

 
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When I got back into it in 2015 it was vinyl that lit the fire. Since then I've incorporated streaming into my audio. Like the OP it is an invaluable tool to find new music especially from new bands that are impossible to find used vinyl for.

While I use it and am ok with the sound of streaming, I am not enamored with the gear used to do it. I like turntables, vu meters, tape spooling, and analog dial scales. I don't really care what I stream to.
 
There always FM radio….

and no I’d not miss it one bit. :)
Yeah, I look at radio as different from streaming because it's of course a more random type thing than something you can choose (streaming is more like a giant record collection in the cloud), but if you live in an area with great stations than there really is something really nice about listening to music this way. If you have good DJs they're going to be surprising you with music that you may really dig and that you likely wouldn't have heard otherwise. I have friends who have been hooked up to Serius radio practically since it came out and they love how you can tune in "stations" with specific genres of music. I get the appeal of this, but it seems to me that with all of the variety that a system like that offers, the individual stations seem to play mostly the same stuff on pretty tight playlists. Great independent FM stations are less strictly formatted and DJs are free to mix it up so that every show they do they play different records than before... and I like that.
 
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Audio streaming has s*cked from my limited experience (re: insufficient resolution). I have a decent SACD library which is far preferable to CD (let alone lossy audio stream) playback. Vinyl is even better ever since I got a decent turntable (even better than PCM 24/192 downloads). YMMV.
 
I stream Spotify using a Yamaha streamer that is overkill for what I need. I could easily use a Bluetooth receiver and be happy with the sound quality. If streaming were to go away I would be disappointed but then I would adapt. I'm an FM listener, Vinyl spinner and CD player so there is plenty of music to listen too and expand my horizons.
 
Yeah, I look at radio as different from streaming because it's of course a more random type thing than something you can choose (streaming is more like a giant record collection in the cloud), but if you live in an area with great stations than there really is something really nice about listening to music this way. If you have good DJs they're going to be surprising you with music that you may really dig and that you likely wouldn't have heard otherwise. I have friends who have been hooked up to Serius radio practically since it came out and they love how you can tune in "stations" with specific genres of music. I get the appeal of this, but it seems to me that with all of the variety that a system like that offers, the individual stations seem to play mostly the same stuff on pretty tight playlists. Great independent FM stations are less strictly formatted and DJs are free to mix it up so that every show they do they play different records than before... and I like that.

that is true, a lot of modern stations have some playlists on loop. That can be a little annoying at times, I listen to a lot of FM while I work as it’s convenient, but I agree after listening to the same station all day and you realize it’s on loop it can be a pain.
 
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