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XP Series Speakers 1959-1973

Brian, great story how did you lose track of them? (sorry to hear you had fallen ill) the 18s were massive

I have a pair of the xp 16s almost fully restored at this point and I would have to agree they with a little more highs they would be a nice step in the right direction. I would love to get a tube amp and hook them up, they have a very warm and musical sound to them. The piezo tweeter goes pretty high but it could for sure use some smoothing out that you would find from a good soft dome. They are gorgeous cherry boxes and about 105 lbs a piece lol
 
Brian, great story how did you lose track of them? (sorry to hear you had fallen ill) the 18s were massive

I have a pair of the xp 16s almost fully restored at this point and I would have to agree they with a little more highs they would be a nice step in the right direction. I would love to get a tube amp and hook them up, they have a very warm and musical sound to them. The piezo tweeter goes pretty high but it could for sure use some smoothing out that you would find from a good soft dome. They are gorgeous cherry boxes and about 105 lbs a piece lol

They were offered as freebies or the owner was going to junk them in a short time. They were in the US and I at the time had 3 Fisher units that they would have gone nice with. So, I laid claim and an AK'er then offered to put them in his warehouse until I could make arrangements to have them hauled. I made arrangements to have them backended on a moving van but, then then got my 1st bout. Somehow the thread of messages was wiped and because of the illness and work it was almost 9 months before I even thought about them. Went looking for the thread but it was gone and I do not remember who stored them. I hope the AK'er decided after not hearing from me to bring them back and use them. This was definitely my screwup but, hopefully it did save them from destruction.

I had heard a pair of 18s way back when driven by a Marantz setup and at the time felt it had to be one of the finest systems I had heard. The owner was into organ music and the 18" woofer could to head to head with a set of Symphonys that at the time I felt was one of the best speakers under the sun. I had the Symphonys here and if I had gotten the XP-18s, it would have been one heck of a time in comparing them. Well, mayby not for my wife.

Just a wag but, since oil caps tend to tame the Wharfedale SuperTweeter 3 possibly subbing in one for the stock tweeter going to the piezo tweeter would have a similar effect. I would suspect the piezo though would need to be padded down a bit to match the efficiency of the other drivers and if not may also be contributing to what you are hearing.
 
Fisher's relationship with Bill Hecht's United Speaker Systems, Inc. did indeed start in the late '50s with their first product, the XP-1, being introduced in 1959. The transition from Jensen (and a few other suppliers such as Coral) to United in Fisher consoles was gradual, starting with the top-of-the-line President, Regent and Executive models and progressing down the model line-up. I haven't worked out a definitive chronology for the changeover.

Based on the similarity of terms used in the descriptions - console vs. component - it looks like the transition started in 1961 with "high compliance and high efficiency" woofers on the Executive model. The '62 President had "hemispherical high frequency units"; the '63 had "hemispherical high frequency dome-type tweeters" which were undoubtedly Hecht's. By 1966, Fisher was emphasizing that that year's President used the same driver array as the XP-10.

Fisher's descriptions of the speaker systems used in their low and mid-line models are generally lacking in detail. It might be possible to pin down the transition model year(s) by reviewing the Fisher Consoles "Compendium" sticky Fisherdude created at my request.

Red: The drivers in my '63 Exec has ALL JENSEN drivers. "Jensen Special Design" drivers on the stickers. And the tweeters are thrashed. I'll probably get some silk soft dones from P.E. later this year. Right now I have the ws-1's connected to provide the mids and highs'.

It's not the 800-C. I put other speakers to it and it sounds fine on the mids and highs. Crossovers have new resistors and caps.

Larry
 
Red1.. I own a pair of XP-15's that my father purchased new. I am not sure exactly when he bought them, I have the original sales reciept with the speakers at my moms. The next time I go over I will open up one of the cabs and confirm the manufacturer of the drivers and date codes, as well as when he bought them.
I also have my dads original copy of "The Fisher Handbook 1967" that lists the same xp-15 consolette that he purchased.
I only mention this because in the periodic table it shows the XP-15's being first available in 1968. And in your "part 3" for years 1968-69 is when the XP-15 was first released.
Could this be because of the production problems Fisher may have had in 1967?
It will be interesting to see when my dad purchased these. As soon as I can I will update. As well as post some pictures.
FYI...I also have "The Fisher Handbook" for years 1970 and 71.

Cheers!
Bobby
 
Thanks, Bobby - great information! I based my '67 speaker lineup off of the limited information I had at the time I posted this, namely: the '67 Console Catalog (copyright 1966). I have since acquired many new sources.

You are, indeed, correct that the XP-15 was part of the '67 speaker lineup as is confirmed by both the '67 Handbook (copyright 1966) and a price list I have dated Jan. 1, 1967. It is possible - perhaps probable - the XP-15 was not quite ready for the 1967 model year kickoff in September 1966 and thus was not listed in the console catalog. Fisher often added products to their lineup just in time for Christmas which would be considered a mid-season introduction.

I am looking forward to photos and also very curious as to the date on the receipt. What did your dad power those monsters with?
 
I've got a pair of Fisher XP-1A and a pair of XP-2A speakers but the XP-1As look like the XP-1s pictured in the opening page. I got them both in other deals, tested them and found them both in need of something, I'm guessing capacitor replacements in their crossovers and pot cleaning but never got around to it. They're nice looking, well made speakers though. I'll see if I've got some pics to share.
 
Found them!

Here's some photos of my early Fisher XP series bookshelf speakers.
 
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I am looking forward to photos and also very curious as to the date on the receipt. What did your dad power those monsters with?

He purchased the 700t at the same time as well as a Garrard TT. Both have been sold since. The 700 had developed some issues, ie: random power loss/protection circuit if memory serves. I had a local guy look at it, he claimed it was fixed but it soon started acting up again. We ended up selling it to a collector as we just wanted a good home for it and someone to get enjoyment out of it.

It was Pop's pride and joy for many years. We have home movies of me at about 5/6 yrs old dancing to probably either the Beatles, Doors, Spirit, or the like,...with the Fisher gear in the background.

We will never let go of the 15's. They are in pristine condition outside of the cloth on the grill fading. Mom and Dad treated them as a fine piece of furniture, keeping the wood fresh and never stacking any thing on top. They have sat idle, unused for the last 20 years or so. With just a few months use after we had the 700 serviced 6/7 yrs ago
I want to Recap the XO soon, and may solicit some advice in that area.

I should be able to update with pic's and info in the next couple of days.
 
I also have a pair of XP-9C's that I picked up at the local GW a couple years back. They are missing the grills, the woofers surrounds are rotten, each speaker is missing a tweeter, one is missing a 5" mid, and someone had scavenged parts of the XO's.
I believe they are from 1970, as the code on each driver says 7039. That is the 39th week of 1970 correct??
I am not sure what I am going to do with them, I thought I might repair the woofers and try to source another mid range and mod the cabinets to use a single tweeter.
I have a pair of Phillips Belgium made AD 0163 T8 1" soft dome's that I have used in other home brew speakers.
I also have a pair of Dayton Classic "silkies" that may be the way to go since I have the TS parameters for them. Not sure where to find them for the Phillips tweets.
 
I also have a pair of XP-9C's that I picked up at the local GW a couple years back.
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What is the difference between the XP-9, XP-9A, XP-9B, etc.? I have a pair of XP-9 (no suffix), purchased new in 1967. Looks like a butyl woofer surround (not rotted, but may be leaking air), 3 5 inch midrange speakers, 1.5 inch dome tweeter.
 
Fred....The XP-9 was considered a 3 way system utilizing one 1 1/2" tweeter, three 5" mid range drivers, and a single 12" woofer. Production years 1966/67.....

XP9B moved to a 4 way system using one 1 1/2" treble driver, One 5" upper mid driver, One 6" lower mid driver, and One 12" woofer. Production years 1968/69....

In 1970 the XP-9C moved back to a 3 way system using two 1 1/2" tweeters, two 5" mid range drivers, and a larger 15" woofer.

In 1971 the XP-9C stayed the same as the 1970 version with one exception.... They utilized one 1 1/2" "Super tweeter" in place of one of the "regular" tweeters used in the 1970 XP-9C to produce frequency's above 5000hz.

Hope this helps, and that I am correct in my facts.
 
I just found a pair of 111K speakers fully intact and working left out by a dumpster. One of the speaker terminals is broken off and the cabs are slightly beat up but still look amazing. I always heard to avoid Fisher speakers so I almost didn't grab these. After hooking them up, I was in shock. The bass produced by those 12 inch woofers was amazing. I have these connected to a Luxman 115. The only thing that set me back were the highs. These have more relaxed highs and I would agree (rolled off). I still prefer my KLH 17 and 23. I think I may replace the caps and try a few different tweeters or maybe even mod these a bit more but I couldn't be happier. I'll add them to the list of my speaker projects. Right now they will serve as my workshop speakers.

So how does one tell 111K's from XPs? Especially if there are no identifying labels?

I am still not sure what model of speakers I have.They are definitely XP era.They are 27 inches by 17 inches and 13 inches deep,and have the black and silver logo plate.

Even if these "sound good" will they still need work?I have no idea how to work on these things.
 
Thanks for the bump, I have been away for awhile.

I recently brought home a 500c that gave me a kick start.

I love my Fishers XP55, XP7, XP7B, XP9 and XP10
I recapped them and rebuilt all of the fried egg tweeters five or six years ago and they still seem to be going strong. The original rubber suspension was petrified in every one. I played with different rubber. I believe the the yellow rubber in the photo came from the gloves my wife cleaned house with.

To my old artillery ears they sound great.

Ed
 

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Hello -- I'm "resurrecting" this thread because I a few months ago I bought a pair of XP-5a in near-new condition (cosmetic) at a sale benefiting Ronald McDonald House. It cost me a wallet-stretching $20USD. :)

I took them down to the basement where they sat until today when I finally hooked them up to my 500C. (The 500C had been driving a pair of Time Windows 1a that I snagged for $200 about 20 months ago. I seem to be lucky for speakers. The Time Windows are now in my "main" living room music/video system.)

The woofer surrounds seem to be in great shape -- not rotted, in fact they appear to be cloth rather than polyfoam. I know that's not the case, it's just the appearance. The tweeters have a foam disc in the centre which is intact but has deteriorated ... if I were to touch it more them gingerly, the foam would deteriorate.

Listening impressions:

The Fisher advertising statements regarding bass is pretty accurate. There is a goodly amount of tight, controlled bass. No, it won't shake the room and is not home theatre worthy. But as stated, it is controlled, not boomy.

The most prominent characteristic is what I might call "sharp detail". The highs are definitely not rolled off and there is a LOT of detail across all frequencies, especially mids and highs. The overall impression is detailed, yes, but also somewhat dry and etched. There is a bit of sibilance on upper male vocals. Guitar strings are realistic but, again, with a bit of HF emphasis.

I'm not sure if the foam disc "plugs" on the tweeters were standard or installed by a dealer or owner -- it's an interesting arrangement. Does anyone know anything about this?

As I said, this pair is in excellent cosmetic conditions, including the grills (which I removed for this initial listening session,) and each sport both badges. My installation is not even close to optimal with respect to room and listening position, so I can't really evaluate sound stage yet, though I did detect decent horizontal placement of instruments. They were placed on 18" stands well out from all walls, so careful closer placement to the back wall might develop more LF content without overemphasis.

I will probably end up taking these to my local specialist audio repair shop (they work on everything from Mac valve amps to LCD TVs,) to have them updated. My suspicion is that in addition to evaluating the drivers (especially the tweeters) the crossover needs updating and could improve things dramatically. I would expect that they can be brought to a state where the detail is retained but they exhibit a sweetness and somewhat more relaxed presentation.

(@ WigWam -- greetings form the RFF days. I'm still shooting film!)
(@ Brian -- I'm a Stratford boy, but currently in Rochester, NY. Watching Leafs as I type!)

Postscript: My content was the excellent Zuzu's Petals by Lunch at Allen's -- a lovely Christmas album. Lunch at Allen's is a collaboration of Ian Thomas, Murray McLaughlin, Cindy Church and Marc Jordin. Highly recommended -- not your usual schlock holiday content, it's all original compositions.
 
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A few years back I picked up a pair at SA:

http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=476976

Paid $25 for the pair. Recapped them with Dayton's and was rather impressed. They didn't last in rotation because I couldn't rid of the voicecoil rub after refoaming them. I'd happily fire them up again if I could get a pair of original woofs.

The original surround is cloth, much like the KLH's. However, someone in history sealed them with some type of glue which eventually hardened and rendered the woofer pretty useless. The material would crumble if you touched it!

As far as the tweeter is concerned: that foam plug is factory stock. It too becomes dust when you touch it; another AKer shared foam that he sourced online but, to date, I haven't gotten back to them because of the woofer issue. Someday.

I recall coming across a thread where the poster had the pleasure of having a conversation with the guy who supplied the drivers to Fisher. His opinion was that the speaker would be better served with a modern replacement.
 
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The woofer surrounds seem to be in great shape -- not rotted, in fact they appear to be cloth rather than polyfoam. I know that's not the case, it's just the appearance. The tweeters have a foam disc in the centre which is intact but has deteriorated ... if I were to touch it more them gingerly, the foam would deteriorate.
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Are you sure that they are foam surrounds? This photo is of a 1967 XP-9 speaker and it is cloth surround. However, the surrounds are leaky and I just purchased some sealant from Vintage-AR via eBay but have not applied it yet. It is available in black and clear.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ACOUSTIC-RE..._Speaker_Parts_Components&hash=item259a740639

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Notdigital: Yes, the woofer surrounds appear to be cloth (that was my first impression) and doped -- they are shiney and a bit stiffened up, but I don't recall any serious cracking. I will have to check again.

Fred: Yes, as I said, they appear to be cloth. I am going to leave them for now. If they deteriorate or I feel like changing out the surrounds, I will probably get butyl rubber surrounds from Speaker Place here in ROC.

As far as the tweeter discs go, I am going to carefully remove them and replace them. We have a foam specialist about a mile from my house, so I can pop in and see what he has to offer.

I am going to continue to run these speakers for awhile. They sound better hooked up to the 500C than my Angstrom 202s. The Angstroms were fine in my HT setup, but are a bit too laid back and dull with the 500C. I don't do a lot of serious listening with the 500C, it's more of a "fun" rig right now.

Thanks guys!
 
maybe its because i am traveling and tired but man i am sure there are several threads about the type of goop to put on the cloth surrounds to A) rejuvenate them and make them supple again, and B) re-seal the box as i think those are acoustic suspension

maybe one of the experts will stop by and give us the Poop on the Goop :-D

ok i will edit a quick search (https://www.google.com/webhp?source...ejuvenate+cloth+surrounds+site:audiokarma.org)

yields at a minimum these two (and several others)
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=540186
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=623547
 
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